Hoh3

[obs]

Propun un topic extrem de util tuturor celor de pe acest forum.
Pentru cine nu stie, Dan Harrington este autorul celei mai faimoase serii de trei volume tratand Texas Holdem pentru turnee. Cartile lui sunt astazi pivotul tuturor discutiilor si teoriilor despre acest subiect. Volumele I si II trateaza extensiv materia, iar volumul III contine 50 de probleme complexe care exemplifica teoria din primele doua volume si sunt in acelasi timp si un test de capacitate pentru cei care doresc sa-si numere punctele obtinute din raspunsuri.
Acest topic - daca isi gaseste cu adevarat audienta necesara - va pune in discutie una cate una toate problemele din volumul III.
Sunt dispus sa fiu unul - dar nu singurul - din traducatorii problemelor HOH3. Daca mai e cineva dispus sa traduca, sa se ofere pentru a face o impartire cantitativa a materialului.
Ideal ar fi ca discutia sa dureze in jur de 6 luni - 1an, cu 1-2 probleme pe saptamana.
Rugamintea mea este sa ne pastram exact pe subiectul discutat, fara dispute personale sau off-topicuri. Deasemeni, pe cat cu putinta, ar fi de dorit sa postam doar daca avem cu adevarat ceva de zis sau de intrebat. Topicul se doreste a fi un "manual" de poker pentru noii veniti pe forum si e pacat sa le bruiem creierii cu chestiuni personale, gratuitati sau aberatii. De aceea, unele posturi probabil ca vor trebui sterse, chestiune care va trebui sa cada in sarcina vreunui moderator (ma gandesc mai putin la invective si mai mult la "meseriasii" care apar cu teorii aberante de genul "invatam omaha perfect si abia apoi 7card stud si abia apoi holdem etc." sau "ii bat la poker pe cei TAG de le suna apa in cap, nu jucati TAG" - teorii carora unii nou veniti le pot da curs Doamne fereste).
Este de dorit sa se implice activ cat mai multi, acest subiect poate fi unul extrem de rentabil pentru toti, indiferent de nivel.
Asadar, astept oferte de voluntari pentru traduceri (cu 4 oameni, fiecare va avea de tradus o problema pe luna, deci lejer). Deasemeni, astept reactii pro sau contra, sa vedem daca merita efortul, ar fi ciudat sa bazaim aici numai vreo 2-3 ratacitzi.

[Al Locust]

As putea sa incerc si eu sa traduc; mai ales ca e vorba de o luna. Nu stiu engleza exceptional de bine, dar ma descurc.

Feel free to contact me! Nu cred ca am HOH3.

P.S.: Acum imi modific semnatura. :P

[sever]

Nu cred ca avem voie sa traducem/postam toate problemele chiar daca o facem in timp si nu imediat.

[cezarbc]

ar fi bine sa se posteze cite o mana ,nu e neaparat nevoie sa fie(tradusa) din HOH ,nu stie multa lume ca sunt de acolo.sau daca ai putea tu sever sa faci cum este pe alte siteuri sa pui cite o problema pe zi .

[obs]

Ok, e vorba mai exact de traducere SI adaptare. Traducatorul ia problema, o citeste, o intelege si o comunica pe larg celorlalti. E perfect legal si onorabil.

In ce priveste copyrightul pentru traducerea si publicarea integrala, e dificil. Drepturile apartin editurii TwoPlusTwo Publishing, gestionata de Matt Sklansky. Avansul pentru HOH 1, 2 si 3 e de 15000$ (ca parte dintr-un procent final de vreo 10% din vanzari).

[Al Locust]

Ok, e vorba mai exact de traducere SI adaptare. Traducatorul ia problema, o citeste, o intelege si o comunica pe larg celorlalti. E perfect legal si onorabil.

Atunci eu sunt dispus sa incerc sa ajut, daca ne permite admin sa si postam.

[sever]

Ok, e vorba mai exact de traducere SI adaptare. Traducatorul ia problema, o citeste, o intelege si o comunica pe larg celorlalti. E perfect legal si onorabil.

In ce priveste copyrightul pentru traducerea si publicarea integrala, e dificil. Drepturile apartin editurii TwoPlusTwo Publishing, gestionata de Matt Sklansky. Avansul pentru HOH 1, 2 si 3 e de 15000$ (ca parte dintr-un procent final de vreo 10% din vanzari).

Si daca sint puse f multe (sau toate) de ce ar mai cumpara cartea?

[Al Locust]

Si daca sint puse f multe (sau toate) de ce ar mai cumpara cartea?

Care carte? Este o varianta in limba romana la vanzare?

[biblup]

am obtinut 417 puncte la sfarsit... voi cate ati scos?

[dorufly]

HoH

Abia acuma am vazut postul asta, dar daca mai e de actualitate va pot ajuta eu cu eventualele traduceri. Scuze ca sunt cam intarziat.

[sever]

Nu prea avem voie, dar o sa propun altceva curind

[obs]

Nu se pune problema, e voie. Nu s-ar traduce literal, ci s-ar povesti pe scurt evolutia mainilor in discutie. Ideea nu e originala.
Viziunea mea asupra unui forum complet este sa comprime toate informatiile de care are nevoie un jucator ca sa evolueze chiar de-ar fi sa nu mai citeasca altceva. Si topicul asta ar fi unul din cele mai importante.

[marca]

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nu e o idee rea OBS , eu am cartea dar nu am citit nici o pagina din ea ...

[obs]

Am citit HOH1,2,3 de 2 ori. Acum 1 an am inteles ceva. Acum o luna altceva. De fiecare data mi-au fost de un imens folos la jocul in turnee, mai ales MTT. De cate ori ies dintr-un turneu se intampla deoarece nu am respectat unul din principiile lui Harrington. Si de cate ori le urmez ajung foarte departe ITM. Cartile astea valoreaza greutatea lor in bani.

Sunt convins ca majoritatea forumistilor nu citesc. Din cei care citesc majoritatea se plictisesc si se opresc la jumatate, iar din cei care citesc pana la capat majoritatea nu o fac cu creionul in mana, ca pe un manual, iar din cei care o fac cu creionul in mana majoritatea nu recitesc. O carte nu e un film de actiune pe care e suficient sa-l vezi o singura data. Dupa un timp, cand se aduna experienta de joc, afli din aceeasi carte cu totul alte nivele ale informatiei care iti erau straine cu un timp in urma.
Date fiind toate aceste obstacole pe care, realist vorbind, nu le vom depasi nici in zece ani de-acum incolo, un asemenea topic ar dinamiza performantele forumistilor la MTT-uri. E mai simplu sa citesti pe forum o problema din HOH si sa o discuti interactiv cu ceilalti, macar atat daca nu ai citit cartea.

[sever]

Eu am citit doar primul volum din pacate, dar o sa le citesc si pe celelalte doua.
Oricum stiu ca esti si membru pokerxfactor deci ai acces si la altceva.

Moving Beyond Harrington
by Rizen, Sunday Million winner on 2/27/2007 03:12

In the last 3-4 years I’ve been playing online poker, I’ve seen vast changes in the way online poker, specifically no limit tournament poker, is played. When I first started playing, the players were so bad you could simply wait for a hand and you’d always get paid off. The only real key was avoiding either a cooler or a bad beat.

With the internet forums, training sites, and books, things have changed a lot though. One of the biggest changes occurred just a few short years ago with the release of Harrington on Hold Em Volumes I & II. While professional players may have already known or understood many of the concepts in his books, for the casual and internet player, the book practically revolutionized the game.

Most players didn’t think of their stack in terms of ‘M’ (or in relation to the size of the pot, for those unfamiliar with the books), and they particularly didn't think with the concept of ‘zones’ and short stack play that is the staple of many an internet pro now. It also made popular the infamous ‘squeeze play’ seen so often now at the tables.

With that in mind, I believe that the time has come to move beyond Harrington. Typically in the poker world, if the masses are doing something, you want to be doing something else to take advantage of that. There are so many players now that follow the philosophies laid out in Harrington’s books, that to a certain extent they’ve actually become exploitable.

So what are some examples of how we can take advantage of the way the masses play right now? One of my current favorite methods is to ‘induce the squeeze.’ That is, with a big hand that I want to get all my chips in with, rather than pushing over the top of a raiser I will often just flat call, just begging the players behind me to get trapped into the squeeze play. You must pay careful attention to the location of the initial raiser as well as stack sizes to make sure you’re setting it up properly, but using this technique, you can often trick opponents who think they are being clever into falling right into your trap.

One of the other things I’ve noticed is the changes in short stack play. When the book first came out, when you got into the ‘red zone’ you could often push-bot your way alive for a long time. Today’s internet player is very hip to this now though, and their calling ranges against red zone players is often much wider than it was a few years ago. Because of this, when my stack reaches the red zone, I will often open push some of my bigger hands, knowing that today’s player will believe that to be much less strong than a standard raise from a short stack.

I also tend to wait a little bit longer to start pushing than I did a few years ago, and I specifically try and target stacks in the blinds who will have a hard time calling me, because I know my open pushes with a short stack look much weaker than they might have a few years ago. Given that players are much more apt to calling, I also like to pick a hand selection that favors better against callers than some of the hands Harrington recommends. I prefer the medium/big suited connectors to pushing with hands like A5, K7, or 22 because the typical calling range of today’s opponent includes mostly hands that dominate those types of holdings. Hands like JTs or 78s hold up very well when people are willing to call your short stack pushes with hands like ATo, 66, and KQ.

The bottom line is that poker is always evolving. As a professional player and passionate student of the game, I am constantly trying to figure out the best way to play against the ever-evolving player fields. Harrington’s books are some of my favorites, and I think they’re fantastic. That being said, now that most of the players are aware of the concepts in those books, we need to move beyond them and start to adapt our game to the new style of play in a way that is profitable. Everything is exploitable if you have a good enough understanding of what your opponents are trying to do.

Five years ago, the poker playing landscape was vastly different than it is today, and five years from now, it will be much different than it is at the very moment. How we change and adapt to this will go a long ways in determining our longevity as a player. Try and think outside the box a little, and I think you’ll find your results and bankroll will be rewarded.