cateva maini pentru analiza si de la mine..

[kiddiestar]

GAME #1110779738: Texas Hold'em NL $0.10/$0.20 2008-08-09 21:27:02
Table Brooklyn
Seat 1: kiddiestar ($21.27 in chips)
Seat 3: JossVoss ($32.93 in chips)
Seat 5: ppppp1 ($19.40 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: pitydfool ($19.29 in chips)
Seat 8: donalld ($20.61 in chips)
Seat 10: Wifesababe ($44.00 in chips)
pitydfool: Post SB $0.10
donalld: Post BB $0.20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar [Qc] [Qd]
Wifesababe: Call $0.20
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $1.00
JossVoss: Fold
ppppp1: Fold
pitydfool: Call $0.90
donalld: Fold
Wifesababe: Fold
*** FLOP *** [Kh] [Jh] [10c]
pitydfool: Bet $1.20
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $3.00
pitydfool: Raise (NF) $10.20
kiddiestar:....?

[SilviuOR]

a q , sau are full

[cereala]

easy fold ....

[Tuby]

a q , sau are full

full a..? cu 2 carti in mana si 3 diferite pe jos, analizeaza si tu cu mai multa atentie mana

chiar daca nu ai stats pe el e de fold..

[GrasuXL]

ai gresit cand ai dat raise pe flop, data viitoare call si evaluate turn.

[Iverson[3]]

Daca vrei sa il fortezi sa foldeze nu o faci cu un min-raise. Era mai bine un raise pe la 4 si ceva. Oricum si asa cum ai jucat iti da de inteles ca vrea sa bage toti banii la mijloc si tu ai pus doar 4$ pana acum, nu merita sa pui pe restul de 16$ sa vezi daca iti intre chinta si nici atunci nu stii daca o sa castigi (daca intra un 9 si el are AQ tot pierzi, deci ai mai putin de 8 outs).

[kiddiestar]

2.5x e minraise?si daca da...cat trebuia sa fac?3.5 - 4? oricum.mana s-a desfasurat asa.am foldat, dupa ce am stat mult sa ma gandesc si mi-a aratat KJo.

urmeaza alta:

GAME #1111650707: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2008-08-10 14:53:03
Table Chocolate Lake
Seat 1: IncredibleHenk ($3.89 in chips)
Seat 3: riffle123 ($10.72 in chips)
Seat 5: Kaurti ($9.69 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: HEC4ACTbE ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 8: kiddiestar ($12.31 in chips)
Seat 10: pokerfolg ($8.12 in chips)
HEC4ACTbE: Post SB $0.05
kiddiestar: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar [DK SQ]
pokerfolg: Fold
IncredibleHenk: Fold
riffle123: Fold
Kaurti: Raise (NF) $0.40
HEC4ACTbE: Fold
kiddiestar: Call $0.30
*** FLOP *** [Kc] [4d] [9c]
kiddiestar: Bet $0.70
Kaurti: Call $0.70
*** TURN *** [3c]
kiddiestar: Check
Kaurti: Check
*** RIVER *** [Qh]
kiddiestar: Bet $1.40
Kaurti: Raise (NF) $5.00
kiddiestar: Call $3.60

Villain este 23/18/1.7 sample size 200 de maini.Cold call pe flop pare extrem de suspect imo.

Intrebarea este: ati mai fi platit 2 perechi dupa ce s-a facut culoare pe turn?

GAME #1111565413: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2008-08-10 1312
Table Chocolate Lake
Seat 1: EsUnVeelDivi ($1.75 in chips)
Seat 3: clifford2268 ($6.21 in chips)
Seat 5: Kaurti ($9.85 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: 2525054 ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 8: kiddiestar ($10.00 in chips)
Seat 10: ghost1988 ($9.80 in chips)
2525054: Post SB $0.05
kiddiestar: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar [Kd] [5c]
ghost1988: Fold
EsUnVeelDivi: Call $0.10
clifford2268: Fold
Kaurti: Fold
2525054: Call $0.05
kiddiestar: Check
*** FLOP *** [10c] [7s] [Kc]
2525054: Check
kiddiestar: Bet $0.20
EsUnVeelDivi: Call $0.20
2525054: Raise (NF) $0.40
kiddiestar: Call $0.20
EsUnVeelDivi: Call $0.20
*** TURN *** [5d]
2525054: Bet $0.37
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $1.35
EsUnVeelDivi: Fold
2525054: Call $0.98
*** RIVER *** [3c]
2525054: Bet $1.05
kiddiestar: Call $1.05

Foarte putine maini cu villain, irelevante stats. Intrebarea este: unde am pariat prea putin, pe flop, pe turn, sau pe amandoua?

[Darth]

mana 1: de ce ai dat donk bet? nu zic ca e gresit, intreb de ce ai facut-o.
intrebarea 2: oricare ar fi motivul de mai sus, acela e motivul pt care AI FACE-O sau motivul pt care ai facut bet-ul in mana respectiva?
riverul ala e blank. daca dai check pe turn, de ce pariezi riverul? sau...dak pariezi riverul, de ce dai check pe turn?
more importantly: de ce dai check pe turn?

mana 2: de ce ai dat call la minraise? pe ce mana il pui?
la intrebarea ta iti poti raspunde absolut ok si singur. e aproape evident ca i-a intrat flushdrawul din formularea intrebarii, deci tot ce ai de facut e sa calculezi pot odds.

p.s. cold callul lui din mana 1 e la fel de suspect ca donk-ul tau, so don't read too much into it IMO

[kiddiestar]

la mana 2 il pun pe un draw (culoare,chinta).nu ma astept mai niciodata sa aiba set sau 2 perechi.deci, presupun ca trebuia sa fac un reraise cat sa nu-i dau odds.ar fi mers oricum, din cum l-am vazut dup-aia ce fel joaca, dar macar jucam eu mana mai bine.

donkbet pentru ca vreau sa vad unde sunt in mana cu TPGK.adica sa vad daca e pe vreun draw sau ceva.pe turn dau check pentru ca ma gandesc ca i-a intrat culoare si vreau sa ajung la showdown cat mai ieftin.bet pe river pentru ca sunt o maimuta care s-a excitat cand a vazut 2 perechi si simte nevoia sa parieze.

[Darth]

mai mult de reraise pt odds, tre sa dai reraise pt value. ca aici te plateste sigur dak read-ul de draw e bun. (dupa cum ai zis si tu)

@ mana 2:

pai...logica ta de pe flop...are sens? ce ai aflat? eu zic ca n-ai aflat absolut nimic. mainile pe care i-le elimini din range cu donkbet-ul ala sunt prea neinteresante pt a conta. sansa de a avea flushdraw si a da check behind e destul de mica. cu donkbet-ul ai marit potul OOP fara a afla absolut nimic. DOUCY?
@ turn: de ce te gandesti ca i-a intrat culoarea? doar cu FD te plateste pe flop? no ******* way. IMO sunt sanse maricele ca un 23/18 sa stie ca poate bluffa flush card-ul eventual de pe turn si cu 22.
@ river: Pai?

[kiddiestar]

cred ca nu inteleg ce zici...la ce mana te referi cand zici 1?la fel cu 2.

GAME #1112274865: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2008-08-10 21:40:46
Table Brillante
Seat 1: kiddiestar ($10.21 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: MeV37 ($31.31 in chips)
Seat 5: nleeson111 ($20.82 in chips)
Seat 8: EKATEPUHA ($10.00 in chips)
Seat 10: CoinBoxx ($22.97 in chips)
MeV37: Post SB $0.05
nleeson111: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar [Jd] [Kc]
EKATEPUHA: Fold
CoinBoxx: Fold
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $0.40
MeV37: Call $0.35
nleeson111: Call $0.30
*** FLOP *** [3c] [10c] [Ac]
MeV37: Check
nleeson111: Bet $0.60
kiddiestar: Call $0.60
MeV37: Raise (NF) $3.60
nleeson111: Fold
kiddiestar: .....?

GAME #1112159595: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2008-08-10 20:35:26
Table Brillante
Seat 1: kiddiestar ($12.03 in chips)
Seat 3: wolverine299 ($25.80 in chips)
Seat 5: sharpy155 ($0.94 in chips)
Seat 8: rosafab75 ($10.54 in chips)
Seat 10: CoinBoxx ($17.81 in chips) DEALER
kiddiestar: Post SB $0.05
wolverine299: Post BB $0.10
rosafab75: Post BB $0.15
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar [As] [Ah]
sharpy155: Fold
rosafab75: Raise (NF) $0.50
CoinBoxx: Fold
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $1.80
wolverine299: Fold
rosafab75: Call $1.30
*** FLOP *** [4c] [9h] [2d]
kiddiestar: Check
rosafab75: Bet $3.50
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $10.23
rosafab75: Fold

Puteam obtine mai multa valoare aici?Mentionez ca s-a numit instashove ce am facut acolo..

[DebbieDowner]

M-am trezit tarziu. O sa imi spun si eu parerea, incepand de la prima mana postata de tine in topicul asta. So :

1.) GAME #1110779738: Texas Hold'em NL $0.10/$0.20 2008-08-09 21:27:02
Table Brooklyn
Seat 1: kiddiestar ($21.27 in chips)
Seat 3: JossVoss ($32.93 in chips)
Seat 5: ppppp1 ($19.40 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: pitydfool ($19.29 in chips)
Seat 8: donalld ($20.61 in chips)
Seat 10: Wifesababe ($44.00 in chips)
pitydfool: Post SB $0.10
donalld: Post BB $0.20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar Q♣ Q♦
Wifesababe: Call $0.20
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $1.00
JossVoss: Fold
ppppp1: Fold
pitydfool: Call $0.90
donalld: Fold
Wifesababe: Fold
*** FLOP *** K♥ J♥ 10♣
pitydfool: Bet $1.20
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $3.00
pitydfool: Raise (NF) $10.20
kiddiestar:....? Fold Cel mai probabil are AQ, deci chinta flopata...ma indoiesc ca si-ar ataca in felul asta un FD la staturile pe care le are...desi pare-mi-se ca nu ai zis nimic de agression factor. Cea mai buna decizie e sa foldezi mana la 3bet-ul lui. Greseala ta pleaca de la raise-ul mult prea mic pe care l-ai facut. Daca vroiai un cheap card era mai bine sa ii dai call si sa re-evaluezi situatia pe turn.

2.) GAME #1111650707: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2008-08-10 14:53:03
Table Chocolate Lake
Seat 1: IncredibleHenk ($3.89 in chips)
Seat 3: riffle123 ($10.72 in chips)
Seat 5: Kaurti ($9.69 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: HEC4ACTbE ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 8: kiddiestar ($12.31 in chips)
Seat 10: pokerfolg ($8.12 in chips)
HEC4ACTbE: Post SB $0.05
kiddiestar: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar [DK SQ]
pokerfolg: Fold
IncredibleHenk: Fold
riffle123: Fold
Kaurti: Raise (NF) $0.40
HEC4ACTbE: Fold
kiddiestar: Call $0.30
*** FLOP *** K♣ 4♦ 9♣
kiddiestar: Bet $0.70
Kaurti: Call $0.70
*** TURN *** 3♣
kiddiestar: Check
Kaurti: Check
*** RIVER *** Q♥
kiddiestar: Bet $1.40
Kaurti: Raise (NF) $5.00
kiddiestar: Call $3.60

Check-ul pe turn e gresit. Arata weakness...sau altfel spus arata ca te-ai speriat de o posibila culoare. Nu ai pozitie ca sa iti permiti check turn cu TPGK pe un flushed board. Deci bet si easy fold la un raise sanatos. Daca nu, e un pic hazardat sa platesti raise-ul lui pe river cu TTP. IN cel mai rau caz puteai sa mergi check/call la un bet aceptabil sau check/fold daca facea push.


3.) GAME #1111565413: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2008-08-10 1312
Table Chocolate Lake
Seat 1: EsUnVeelDivi ($1.75 in chips)
Seat 3: clifford2268 ($6.21 in chips)
Seat 5: Kaurti ($9.85 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: 2525054 ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 8: kiddiestar ($10.00 in chips)
Seat 10: ghost1988 ($9.80 in chips)
2525054: Post SB $0.05
kiddiestar: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar K♦ 5♣
ghost1988: Fold
EsUnVeelDivi: Call $0.10
clifford2268: Fold
Kaurti: Fold
2525054: Call $0.05
kiddiestar: Check
*** FLOP *** 10♣ 7♠ K♣
2525054: Check
kiddiestar: Bet $0.20
EsUnVeelDivi: Call $0.20
2525054: Raise (NF) $0.40
kiddiestar: Call $0.20
EsUnVeelDivi: Call $0.20
*** TURN *** 5♦
2525054: Bet $0.37
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $1.35
EsUnVeelDivi: Fold
2525054: Call $0.98
*** RIVER *** 3♣
2525054: Bet $1.05
kiddiestar: Call $1.05


Bet OOP cu top pair low kicker intr-un family pot la 10 NL e destul de loose, da' ma rog... poate min-raise-ul lui te-a determinat sa ataci. Check/call pe flop, check/raise pe turn cred ca ar fi fost o linie mai buna, but that's just my opinion.


4.) GAME #1112274865: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2008-08-10 21:40:46
Table Brillante
Seat 1: kiddiestar ($10.21 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: MeV37 ($31.31 in chips)
Seat 5: nleeson111 ($20.82 in chips)
Seat 8: EKATEPUHA ($10.00 in chips)
Seat 10: CoinBoxx ($22.97 in chips)
MeV37: Post SB $0.05
nleeson111: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar J♦ K♣
EKATEPUHA: Fold
CoinBoxx: Fold
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $0.40
MeV37: Call $0.35
nleeson111: Call $0.30
*** FLOP *** 3♣ 10♣ A♣
MeV37: Check
nleeson111: Bet $0.60
kiddiestar: Call $0.60
MeV37: Raise (NF) $3.60
nleeson111: Fold
kiddiestar: .....?

I say shove...ai suficiente outuri, avand un got shot si NFD. Ai in fata un flop numai bun pentru un adversar agresiv dispus sa faca squeez-uri in astfel de situatii. Totusi nu stiu ce istorie ai cu respectivul...


5.) GAME #1112159595: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2008-08-10 20:35:26
Table Brillante
Seat 1: kiddiestar ($12.03 in chips)
Seat 3: wolverine299 ($25.80 in chips)
Seat 5: sharpy155 ($0.94 in chips)
Seat 8: rosafab75 ($10.54 in chips)
Seat 10: CoinBoxx ($17.81 in chips) DEALER
kiddiestar: Post SB $0.05
wolverine299: Post BB $0.10
rosafab75: Post BB $0.15
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kiddiestar A♠ A♥
sharpy155: Fold
rosafab75: Raise (NF) $0.50
CoinBoxx: Fold
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $1.80
wolverine299: Fold
rosafab75: Call $1.30
*** FLOP *** 4♣ 9♥ 2♦
kiddiestar: Check
rosafab75: Bet $3.50
kiddiestar: Raise (NF) $10.23
rosafab75: Fold

Mana asta e jucata bine...nu cred ca iti reprosezi ceva. I'd have played it the same.

[kiddiestar]

la mana 4 am facut shove.avea culoare facuta,cu dama.mi-a intrat culoare pe river.ship it! la mainile 2 si 3 cred ca e mult mai corect cum zici tu decat am jucat eu.la mana 1 am postat deja rezultatul.