AKo sb

[s0me1]

PokerStars Game #19191114218: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/07/29 - 08:01:42 (ET)
Table 'Propus III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: charliehalf ($2.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Doomsday_Vic ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Lucky888Star ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Andrei_s0me1 ($10.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Chanel29 ($12.05 in chips)
Seat 6: filis007 ($6.90 in chips)
Andrei_s0me1: posts small blind $0.05
Chanel29: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Andrei_s0me1 [Ad Kc]
filis007: folds
charliehalf: folds
Doomsday_Vic: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Lucky888Star: folds
Andrei_s0me1: calls $0.35
Chanel29: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2s 6d]
Andrei_s0me1: checks
Doomsday_Vic: bets $0.50
Andrei_s0me1: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Kh 2s 6d] [7d]
Andrei_s0me1: bets $0.80
Doomsday_Vic: raises $1.30 to $2.10
Andrei_s0me1: raises $2.50 to $4.60
Doomsday_Vic: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [Kh 2s 6d 7d] [8c]
Andrei_s0me1: bets $4.80 and is all-in
Doomsday_Vic: calls $4.35 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.45) returned to Andrei_s0me1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Andrei_s0me1: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Kings)
Doomsday_Vic: shows [Ks 7s] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
Doomsday_Vic collected $18.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.80 | Rake $0.95
Board [Kh 2s 6d 7d 8c]
Seat 1: charliehalf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Doomsday_Vic showed [Ks 7s] and won ($18.85) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 3: Lucky888Star (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Andrei_s0me1 (small blind) showed [Ad Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: Chanel29 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: filis007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Trebuia sa dau 3bet preflop ? Trebuia sa dau bet dupa flop ? Cred ca am injurat la mana asta cat am injurat in ultimele 10 zile.

[Dioscuri]

da, eu as fi dat 3bet preflop pe la 1.20
apoi la flop, pot de 2.40... bet cam de 1.60, si allin la un reraise al lui

nici cu adversarul tau nu mi-e rusine, poate preflop s-ar fi aruncat la 3bet. la ce hand selection are, nu se mai arunca postflop

[DebbieDowner]

PokerStars Game #19191114218: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/07/29 - 08:01:42 (ET)
Table 'Propus III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: charliehalf ($2.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Doomsday_Vic ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Lucky888Star ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Andrei_s0me1 ($10.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Chanel29 ($12.05 in chips)
Seat 6: filis007 ($6.90 in chips)
Andrei_s0me1: posts small blind $0.05
Chanel29: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Andrei_s0me1 [Ad Kc]
filis007: folds
charliehalf: folds
Doomsday_Vic: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Lucky888Star: folds
Andrei_s0me1: calls $0.35 AICI TREBUIA SA FACI 3BET
Chanel29: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2s 6d]
Andrei_s0me1: checks E OK CHECK/RAISE, CUM AI JUCAT TU NU MERGE
Doomsday_Vic: bets $0.50
Andrei_s0me1: calls $0.50 OBLIGATORIU 3BET
*** TURN *** [Kh 2s 6d] <font color='red'>7♦</font>
Andrei_s0me1: bets $0.80 BET PREA MIC
Doomsday_Vic: raises $1.30 to $2.10
Andrei_s0me1: raises $2.50 to $4.60
Doomsday_Vic: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [Kh 2s 6d 7d] <font color='black'>8♣</font>
Andrei_s0me1: bets $4.80 and is all-in
Doomsday_Vic: calls $4.35 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.45) returned to Andrei_s0me1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Andrei_s0me1: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Kings)
Doomsday_Vic: shows [Ks 7s] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
Doomsday_Vic collected $18.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.80 | Rake $0.95
Board [Kh 2s 6d 7d 8c]
Seat 1: charliehalf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Doomsday_Vic showed [Ks 7s] and won ($18.85) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 3: Lucky888Star (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Andrei_s0me1 (small blind) showed [Ad Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: Chanel29 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: filis007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Trebuia sa dau 3bet preflop ? Trebuia sa dau bet dupa flop ? Cred ca am injurat la mana asta cat am injurat in ultimele 10 zile.

Era foarte bine daca faceai 3bet PF pentru ca nu te mai trezeai in pot cu unul care are K7 . Dupa aia check/call pe flop iar e gresit (ti-am si scris mai sus). Dupa turn deja erai la groapa, nu mai aveai ce face. Ai atacat mult prea tarziu, dar asta ni se intampla tuturor cand vrem sa facem extrageri dan' alea .

[s0me1]

Mi-am dat seama imediat ca am jucat prost, nu aveam cum sa pierd asa ceva ... era mana mea 100%
Eu eram foarte sigur ca l-am prins pe un KQ sau KJ eventual JJ QQ. In nici un caz K 7

La vreo 10 minute dupa asta a venit
*** RIVER *** [3c 6s 7s 9h] <font color='red'>K♦</font>
Andrei_s0me1: shows [Ah Ad] (a pair of Aces)
phils69: shows [Kh Ks] (three of a kind, Kings)
Total pot $19.50

Si asa s-a dus probabil o zi de poker.

Jucati ca la carte de acum incolo

[obs]

Cred ca am injurat la mana asta cat am injurat in ultimele 10 zile.

Si ai injurat degeaba... AK pierde poturi mari la Ax si Kx. La nivelul ala tentatia de a vedea flopul cu Ax, Kx e mare si datoria ta este s-o curmi cu bet preflop. Dar sa zicem ca ai preferat sa joci conservator si sa faci un flat call in loc de 3bet - nu e chiar asa o nenorocire. Nenorocirea mare e slowplayul tau pe flop cu TPTK! Slowplay faci doar cand speri sa mai storci ceva pe strazile urmatoare FARA sa ai reverse implied odds!!! Ori, cu flopul ala si cartile tale erai candidatul perfect la asa ceva.
Regula e asta: opreste mana cat de repede poti. Ori tu n-ai facut asta pe primele doua strazi. Pe turn de regula, degeaba mai incerci, cartile sunt facute 80%: daca e sub tine foldeaza, daca te bate plateste.

[s0me1]

Si ai injurat degeaba...

Eu m-am enervat ca mi-am dat seama cat de prost am jucat. Daca era bad beat cum am pierdut dupa AA contra KK asta e, nu era o problema, dar am jucat execrabil.

[bad_ip]

cartea spune asa:
1) re-raise(un singur raiser) cu AK din orice pozitie preflop in 100% din cazuri - for value
2) bet for value sau check/raise for value pe flop cu TPTK

dupa cum se vede nu facusi nici una din cele de mai sus