eu vs LAG

[AVP]

Fac ce fac dar tot de LAGs ma izbesc.....pun niste maini de la ultimul cashgame dintre mine si cel mai aprig concurent al meu de la masa ''gunjah'' 6-max cu care am dat un fight pe cinste...chiar daca a iesit neprofitabil pt mine,a fost cel putin interesant la limita asta NL10 sa ma izbesc si de jucatori buni....odata si odata!!

Si ipoteza mea de a pune cea mai buna mana pe masa vs unui LAG bun s-a dovedit de a fi chiar adevarata prin demonstrare...dar tot nu vroia sa-mi intre in minte..damn!!Despre ''gunjah'' pot sa spun ca aparuse din ceata si la un moment dat observ eu ca asta joaca cam aproape fiecare mana din orice pozitie ori cu limp..sau limp reraise.


1.

Seat 5: headless00 ($3.20 in chips)
Seat 6: paddymctaff ($14.05 in chips)
capecod8888: posts small blind $0.05
110 Octane: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to capecod8888 [9d] [9s]
headless00: calls $0.10
paddymctaff: raises $0.40 to $0.50
kcoleo: folds
gunjah: calls $0.50
capecod8888: calls $0.45
110 Octane: folds
headless00: folds

*** FLOP *** [Qd] [6d] [2h]

capecod8888: checks
paddymctaff: checks
gunjah: bets $0.90
capecod8888: calls $0.90
paddymctaff: folds

*** TURN *** [Qd] [6d] [2h] [Kh]

capecod8888: checks
gunjah: bets $0.80
capecod8888: raises $2.50 to $3.30
gunjah: calls $1.70 and is all-in

*** RIVER *** [Qd] [6d] [2h] [Kh] [8c]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

capecod8888: shows [9d] [9s] (a pair of Nines)
gunjah: shows [8h] [2s] (two pair, Eights and Deuces)
gunjah collected $8.10 from pot


2. asta am dat-o in bara my fault!...big pairs cracked on PokerStars I know..


Seat 2: gunjah ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 3: capecod8888 ($11.55 in chips)
Seat 4: 110 Octane ($10.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Parseval ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 6: paddymctaff ($11.90 in chips)
Parseval: posts small blind $0.05
paddymctaff: posts big blind $0.10
capecod8888: posts small & big blinds $0.15

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to capecod8888 [Kd] [Kh]
gunjah: calls $0.10
capecod8888: raises $0.30 to $0.40
110 Octane: folds
Parseval: calls $0.35
WuDaBuM joins the table at seat #1
paddymctaff: folds
gunjah: calls $0.30

*** FLOP *** [3c] [7s] [6c]

Parseval: checks
gunjah: checks
capecod8888: bets $1.30
Parseval: folds
gunjah: raises $1.30 to $2.60
capecod8888: raises $1.90 to $4.50
gunjah: raises $13.75 to $18.25 and is all-in
capecod8888: calls $6.60 and is all-in(ma tiltasem la asta nu-mi venea sa cred
ca are o mana mai buna decit a mea)

*** TURN *** [3c] [7s] [6c] [6d]


*** RIVER *** [3c] [7s] [6c] [6d] [As]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

gunjah: shows [7c] [7d] (a full house, Sevens full of Sixes)
capecod8888: mucks hand
gunjah collected $22.40 from pot


3. Din button......I'm reckless..inca i-mi reprosez ca nu am dat 4BB raise

Seat 1: WuDaBuM ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 2: gunjah ($34.45 in chips)
Seat 3: capecod8888 ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 4: 110 Octane ($10 in chips)
Seat 5: Parseval ($10.60 in chips)
Seat 6: paddymctaff ($11.45 in chips)
110 Octane: posts small blind $0.05
Parseval: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to capecod8888 [7c] [2c]
paddymctaff: folds
WuDaBuM: folds
gunjah: calls $0.10
capecod8888: calls $0.10
110 Octane: folds
Parseval: checks

*** FLOP *** [4c] [3d] [Ac]

Parseval: checks
gunjah: bets $0.40
capecod8888: raises $0.80 to $1.20
Parseval: folds
gunjah: raises $1.10 to $2.30
capecod8888: calls $1.10

*** TURN *** [4c] [3d] [Ac] [Kc]
gunjah: bets $1
capecod8888: raises $1.35 to $2.35 and is all-in
gunjah: calls $1.35

*** RIVER *** [4c] [3d] [Ac] [Kc] [6c]

*** SHOW DOWN ***
gunjah: shows [Ad] [Tc] (a flush, Ace high)
capecod8888: mucks hand
gunjah collected $9.20 from pot

4. Pe flop eram convins 100% ca nu are nimic.....

Table 'Gerlinde II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: WuDaBuM ($11.20 in chips)
Seat 2: gunjah ($40.25 in chips)
Seat 3: capecod8888 ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 4: 110 Octane ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Parseval ($11 in chips)
Seat 6: paddymctaff ($11.20 in chips)
paddymctaff: posts small blind $0.05
WuDaBuM: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to capecod8888 [4h] [4c]
gunjah: calls $0.10
capecod8888: raises $0.30 to $0.40
110 Octane: folds
Parseval: folds
paddymctaff: folds
WuDaBuM: folds
gunjah: raises $0.50 to $0.90
capecod8888: calls $0.50

*** FLOP *** [3c] [Ts] [7s]

gunjah: bets $0.80
capecod8888: raises $0.90 to $1.70
gunjah: raises $3 to $4.70
capecod8888: calls $2.30 and is all-in

*** TURN *** [3c] [Ts] [7s] [Kc]

*** RIVER *** [3c Ts 7s Kc] [Kd]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

gunjah: shows [Ks] [Ad] (three of a kind, Kings)
capecod8888: mucks hand
gunjah collected $9.50 from pot


5. Tr sa i-o platesc si eu odata si odata....mi-a zis pe urma...nh!!!


Seat 1: WuDaBuM ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 2: gunjah ($40.15 in chips)
Seat 3: capecod8888 ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 4: 110 Octane ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Parseval ($10.85 in chips)
Seat 6: paddymctaff ($14 in chips)
110 Octane: posts small blind $0.05
Parseval: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to capecod8888 [9d] [5h]
paddymctaff: folds
WuDaBuM: folds
gunjah: calls $0.10
capecod8888: raises $0.30 to $0.40
110 Octane: folds
Parseval: folds
gunjah: raises $0.50 to $0.90
capecod8888: calls $0.50

*** FLOP *** [2d] [7h] [8h]

gunjah: checks
capecod8888: checks

*** TURN *** [2d] [7h] [8h] [6d]

gunjah: bets $0.90
capecod8888: raises $0.90 to $1.80
gunjah: raises $5.20 to $7
capecod8888: calls $4.40 and is all-in

*** RIVER *** [2d] [7h] [8h] [6d] [Qd]

*** SHOW DOWN ***
gunjah: shows [7c] [7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
capecod8888: shows [9d] [5h] (a straight, Five to Nine)
capecod8888 collected $13.65 from pot

[Goldeneyemvp]

Cer inchiderea acestui thread, numai te strici cand citesti asa ceva.

E mai rau ca pensionarii care joaca poker in fata blocului.
Daca pui o maimuta sa apese click la nimereala creca joaca mai bine...Admine eu zic sa faci ceva, nu inteleg de ce inchizi threaduri ce contin maini jucate de mine si de unde chiar ai ce invata (asta e adevarul) dar lasi mizeriile astea pe forum.

[AVP]

Nu mai spune....expert ''Goldeneyemvp''?....in materie de comparatiile pe care le faci cred ca nici maimuta n-o bati.....!!!...Critica o accept doar sub forma constructiva ,insa nu la nivelul tau de la nu stiu ce subsol plin de mocirla...pt ca nu am nimic de invatat!!

numai asa ca informatie poate pt alti jucatori..

1. equity 88,63% la turn all-inul meu
2. KK jucati slab
3. equity 84,09% la turn all-in
4. equity 70% la flop all-in
5. no comment

[Al Locust]

Gata. I-am luat eu ce mai avea. edit : si-am dat la ceilalti.

Goldeneyempv, de ce nu-ti deschizi un site de training? Ar fi o idee buna.

[Goldeneyemvp]

Nu mai spune....expert ''Goldeneyemvp''?....in materie de comparatiile pe care le faci cred ca nici maimuta n-o bati.....!!!...Critica o accept doar sub forma constructiva ,insa nu la nivelul tau de la nu stiu ce subsol plin de mocirla...pt ca nu am nimic de invatat!!

numai asa ca informatie poate pt alti jucatori..

1. equity 88,63% la turn all-inul meu
2. KK jucati slab
3. equity 84,09% la turn all-in
4. equity 70% la flop all-in
5. no comment

ok, peste 3 ani sa nu te intrebi de ce esti tot la mizele astea sau de ce te-ai lasat.

[obs]

1. equity 88,63% la turn all-inul meu

3. equity 84,09% la turn all-in
4. equity 70% la flop all-in

Lol, de unde-ai luat cifrele astea, is gresite complet, cum sa ai equity 80%+ cu un gutshot etc. etc.? Vezi ca te minte cineva si-ti sar banii din buzunare de pomana.

[touche]

Obs ... poti sa fi mai explicit.
Nu reusesc sa i'mi dau seama despre care mana e vorba.... despre ce gutshot vorbesti ?

[pkrplayer]

Cred ca e vorba de mana 5,cu chinta in burta.

Eu sunt totusi curios,pe ce isi bazeaza afirmatia userul de mai sus "ok, peste 3 ani sa nu te intrebi de ce esti tot la mizele astea sau de ce te-ai lasat".
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Adica la ce se refera,fiindca am vazut "world class bluff" si sincer daca eram in locul lui si aveam pp iti dadeam call pe river la linia care ai jucato.

[obs]

Ma refer la toate mainile, equity-urile lui sunt muuuult sub cifrele scrise acolo, nu stiu de unde a luat el 80% etc.
Mana cu gutshot este evident mana 3. Trebuia sa-i zic "one-ended straight draw"?

[touche]

Da ..m'am gandit pentru o secunda ca e vb de mana 3, dar acolo daca vad bine omul are flush la turn... ce treaba mai are cu gutshotu' ? E vorba de turn nu de flop !!

3. equity 84,09% la turn all-in

PS: Daca folosesti un poker odds calculator vezi ca ies exact cifrele care le'a dat omu pentru equity

[obs]

Da, my bad, n-am vazut flushul.

[kytra]

Joci cam haotic AVP... dar e bine ca postezi.

Ai postat cam multe maini deodata...e greu pt analiza totala

La prima mana(cu 99) e ok preflop dar la flop dupa 2 checkuri ceri doar 0.9$ in pot de 1.6$. Trebuia 1.2$ sa vezi mai clar unde stai. Cred ca se incheia mana acolo. Apoi la turn... faci bet 0.8$ (?!??!) . Adica pur si simplu arati ca iti e frica de turn..de acel K. Se spune ca foarte multa lume incearca sa blufeze cand vine un K pe turn...sau A. Si aici dupa acel weak bet al tau logic ca a (semi)blufat cu 82. Practic el a jucat relativ bine postflop... floating si bluff ok(doar ca nu prea mai avea FE... prea putini bani mai avea..dar ca idee a fost ok).

La mana cu 72s... fold e ok. Nu regreta ca nu ai dat raise..ca oricum luai call. Daca ei is pasivi e ok sa dai limp cu carti speculative si cresti potul doar cand lovesti flopul calumea. Dar cu 72s o sa fie cam rar un flop frumos. Deci mai ok era fold preflop.

La mana cu 44 trebuia jucat simplu. Adica limp/call si check/fold la flop. E cel mai bine parerea mea. Nu merita sa cresti potul preflop vs maniac cand tu prinzi set doar 1/8. In 7 cazuri o sa te alunge. Faza ca e ca oricum ii iei toti banii postflop cand prinzi set... deci nu are rost raise preflop decat daca crezi ca sunt shanse mari sa dea fold preflop. Si daca tot dai raise.. fa raise pot.. nu re-raise minim..lol

cam atat momentan.. plec la masa
GL

[AVP]

Cifrele le-am luat din pokerstove si nici decum din burta......jocul pare a fi haotic dar ce sa mai zic de el ''gunjah'' am incercat.....standardgame overcards AK,AQ,AJ,big pairs QQ JJ,middle pairs ,aces nu vazusem si evident everthing got cracked....asa ca am recurs la alta metoda pt ca daca el facea numai overplayuri dece nu si eu...cu anticartile alea 72s,44,95...doi de 44 vs unui solid etc i-i arunc...insa m-au tentat si el nimereste runner runner....cu 99 la fel cand vad ca are 82o in mana si nimereste riverul...ouch....insa tr sa recunosc ca juca bine si facuse niste laydownuri puternice.....luase asa cateva buy-inuri si de la alti jucatori....deoarece nu puteai sa-l arunci din pot sub nici o forma....

[lyncks]

offtopic:

1. kytro, e 1/12 sa prinzi set. :P
2. ce mai cauta mizeria aia de om pe forumul asta? (ma refer la goldeneyemvp)? Serios Sever, enough is enough, pe alte forumuri avea un ban permanent de mult timp.

[kytra]

La o mana vs maniac vrei sa prinzi set la flop..ca nu stiu daca e visul nostru sa platim cu 44 un maniac la board 27J Deci ma refeream la shansa de a prinde set la flop... aprox 1/8.. aprox 12%. Credeam ca se intelege

OT:
Mie mi s-a parut funny goldeneyemvp la obictive pe martie: "sa joc in continuare perfect" M-a amuzat teribil