Toate badbeat-urile intra aici

[DebbieDowner]

FMM astazi si maine de river

PokerStars Game #10406100730: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/06/12 - 20:37:49 (ET)
Table 'Antares V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: icecoldRivA ($149.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Rounder9898 ($224.60 in chips)
Seat 3: 1iONU ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: Riverlover3 ($78 in chips)
Seat 5: DarthHate ($317 in chips)
Seat 6: AgamDes ($181.20 in chips)
icecoldRivA: posts small blind $0.50
Rounder9898: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DarthHate [3s 3h]
1iONU: folds
Riverlover3: folds
DarthHate: raises $2 to $3
AgamDes: calls $3
icecoldRivA: folds
Rounder9898: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [3c Qs Qd]
Rounder9898: checks
DarthHate: bets $6.50
AgamDes: raises $6.50 to $13
Rounder9898: folds
DarthHate: raises $28.50 to $41.50
AgamDes: raises $47.50 to $89
DarthHate: raises $225 to $314 and is all-in
AgamDes: calls $89.20 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [3c Qs Qd] <font color='red'>7♦</font>
*** RIVER *** [3c Qs Qd 7d] <font color='black'>8♠</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DarthHate: shows [3s 3h] (a full house, Threes full of Queens)
AgamDes: shows [Qh 8h] (a full house, Queens full of Eights)
AgamDes collected $362.90 from pot
DarthHate said, " FFS"
DarthHate said, "FFS"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $365.90 | Rake $3
Board [3c Qs Qd 7d 8s]
Seat 1: icecoldRivA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Rounder9898 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: 1iONU folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Riverlover3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DarthHate showed [3s 3h] and lost with a full house, Threes full of Queens
Seat 6: AgamDes (button) showed [Qh 8h] and won ($362.90) with a full house, Queens full of Eights

Da...foarte naspa mana. Ai avut ghinion. Mana asta imi aduce aminte dde bad beatul pe care si l-a luat Sabin la MGM, cand el avea nut flush, iar adversarul prinsese roiala. Nu e identica situatia, dar pe undeva se aseamana. De jucat consider ca ai jucat foarte bine mana, iar cu all-in-ul ala probabil ai vrut sa vezi daca tipul blufeaza sau chiar are. Insa as vrea sa te intreb ceva ? Daca erai in locul lui... ce ai fi facut?... avand set din flop, crezi ca te gandeai : "Ba...daca are ala treiarii ?" Te intreb, nu vreau sa te supar... Pe de alta parte, desi posibilitatea este foarte foarte redusa, ar fi putut avea foarte bine Q3, si atunci iar erai batut. E greu sa arunci un full din flop, si asta e adevarat, insa culmea full-ul tau nu era nut. Destul de dificil de comentat mana asta.

[obs]

Ajung la 10000 garantat pe PH in the money, si vine si pauza. Aveam un stack mic spre mediu. Prima mana dupa pauza (prima mana in the money) imi intra AA, dau allin sperand sa ma creada astia extaziat ca am intrat in bani si ca de-acum nu-mi mai pasa. Toti: fold (masa de 10). A doua mana: KK. Allin iar, iar fold toata lumea. Urmatoarea mana: AA. Allin iarasi. Toti fold din nou.
Dupa asta nu mi-a mai intrat nici o carte jucabila pana pe locul 11 cand am iesit cu QQ.
Nu mai adaug ca dupa cele 3 folduri in masa au inceput ei cu allinurile. Arrgh... Ce sanse sunt ca nici una din cele 27 de maini sa nu fi fost buna de un call dat unui nebun in extaz?

[Darth]

Da...foarte naspa mana. Ai avut ghinion. Mana asta imi aduce aminte dde bad beatul pe care si l-a luat Sabin la MGM, cand el avea nut flush, iar adversarul prinsese roiala. Nu e identica situatia, dar pe undeva se aseamana. De jucat consider ca ai jucat foarte bine mana, iar cu all-in-ul ala probabil ai vrut sa vezi daca tipul blufeaza sau chiar are. Insa as vrea sa te intreb ceva ? Daca erai in locul lui... ce ai fi facut?... avand set din flop, crezi ca te gandeai : "Ba...daca are ala treiarii ?" Te intreb, nu vreau sa te supar... Pe de alta parte, desi posibilitatea este foarte foarte redusa, ar fi putut avea foarte bine Q3, si atunci iar erai batut. E greu sa arunci un full din flop, si asta e adevarat, insa culmea full-ul tau nu era nut. Destul de dificil de comentat mana asta.

destul de usor. nu il vad cu Q3 platind raise preflop si dupa x reraiseuri in situatia aia dak as fi el, m-as pune pe QK/AK si as folda...deci nu numai "ba, daca are ala treiarii".
plm, mi-a dat call stupid, eram in fata, am pierdut. moving on..

[dragoshelu]

doresc si eu niste comentarii. ma tot cert cu prietenii pe tema asta.
turneu. middle stage. average stack.
AA in early position. raise 3xBB. un call. (masa era tight)
flop JJJ ... raise , re-raise, re-raise, all-in, all-in.
avea AJs si am pierdut.

unii zic ca am fost varza pentru ca ala "clar" avea J.
eu am zic ca:
-doar J ma batea. orice pereche bateam, orice flush/straight batea (daca venea runner runner)
-sansele sa aiba J erau undeva pe la 2-3&#37;.
-era jucator tight si nu mergea 3xBB decat cu pereche sau cu suited connectors mari (AK, AQ)
-nu puteam sa il arunc din pre-flop pentru ca avea mana puternica pentru turneu in middle stage.

vai ce faceati? aruncati? sau tot all-in mergeati?

[smileyady]

Nu cred ca ai postat unde trebuie.Oricum,eu as fi mers all in.

[obs]

Cel mai avantajos flop posibil pentru AA este asta. Bineinteles, odata ce ai dat raise preflop, cu cat tripsul de pe flop e mai mic, asii tai sunt intr-o forma mai buna. Allinul lui nu avea alt sens decat cu AJ, KK, QQ, QJs, orice alt holding l-ar fi tinut in frau pe animal (un jucator de talie mondiala ar fi evitat escaladarea potului inclusiv cu QQ). Sansele de AJ/Qjs sunt mai mari decat de KK sau QQ pur statistic cumulat cu faptul ca avand KK sau QQ ar fi facut un raise preflop.
Daca era jocul vietii tale, probabil ca aceasta mica nebuloasa (AJ/QJs sau KK/QQ) te-ar fi putut determina sa foldezi - pokerul te pune adesea in situatii de castig mai sigure decat asta. Dar daca miza jocului e una "regular", decizia asta pe muchie de cutit ar trebui sa tinda limpede spre call.
Ca s-a intamplat nemaintamplabilul, ia-o asa: era scris sa nu fie ala jocul tau.

Intrebare: cum ai fi jucat mana asta la WSOP?

[kalv]

AJ-2 maini
QJ-4 maini
Kj-4 maini
Total=10

kk-6 maini
QQ-6 maini
Total=12

Pur statistic sansele de KK si QQ sunt mai mari.

La situatia asta bag toti banii in mijloc fara sa imi treaca prin cap ca ar putea avea careu. Sigur, dau de el din cand in cand..insa sunt convins ca mai tot timpu sunt in fata. Poate la ultimu raise/call in situatia ta mai stateam pa ganduri..da la ala deja aveam pot odds bune...

[obs]

Sansele de AJ/Qjs sunt mai mari decat de KK sau QQ pur statistic cumulat cu faptul ca avand KK sau QQ ar fi facut un raise preflop.

Cu scrisul e simplu, cu cititul e mai greu.

[sever]

Full Tilt Poker Game #2682142879: Tier Two $24+$2 Sit & Go (20453674), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:41:42 ET - 2007/06/16
Seat 1: johnny3600 (1,485)
Seat 2: JustTrustMe (1,735)
Seat 3: s3ver (1,500)
Seat 4: culliganhombre (1,455)
Seat 5: bouillon (1,375)
Seat 6: buddhaman7129 (1,460)
Seat 7: lakeview29 (1,500)
Seat 8: lemonsaab (1,480)
Seat 9: The Jankster (1,510)
buddhaman7129 posts the small blind of 20
lakeview29 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [9h] [9c]
lemonsaab calls 40
The Jankster folds
johnny3600 folds
JustTrustMe calls 40
s3ver raises to 250
culliganhombre folds
bouillon folds
buddhaman7129 folds
lakeview29 has 15 seconds left to act
lakeview29 folds
lemonsaab calls 210
JustTrustMe raises to 1,735, and is all in
s3ver calls 1,250, and is all in
lemonsaab folds
JustTrustMe shows [4s] [4d]
s3ver shows [9h] [9c]
Uncalled bet of 235 returned to JustTrustMe
*** FLOP *** [as] [3h] [5c]
*** TURN *** [as] [3h] [5c] [10c]
*** RIVER *** [as] [3h] [5c] [10c] [4h]
JustTrustMe shows three of a kind, Fours
s3ver shows a pair of Nines
JustTrustMe wins the pot (3,310) with three of a kind, Fours
s3ver stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,310 | Rake 0
Board: [As 3h 5c Tc 4h]
Seat 1: johnny3600 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: JustTrustMe showed [4s 4d] and won (3,310) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 3: s3ver showed [9h 9c] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 4: culliganhombre didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: bouillon (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: buddhaman7129 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: lakeview29 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: lemonsaab folded before the Flop
Seat 9: The Jankster didn't bet (folded)

[Darth]

da-o in ....

PokerStars Game #10471721309: Tournament #53003480, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/06/16 - 21:51:25 (ET)
Table '53003480 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: twicetimes (1880 in chips)
Seat 3: DarthHate (5290 in chips)
Seat 4: abc inc (1905 in chips)
Seat 5: acerol (1260 in chips)
Seat 6: huckleberrie (4200 in chips)
Seat 7: CTRLFreak (7610 in chips)
Seat 8: MadMaestro (4780 in chips)
Seat 9: casacubana (1575 in chips)
huckleberrie: posts small blind 15
CTRLFreak: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DarthHate [As Qc]
MadMaestro: folds
casacubana: calls 30
twicetimes: calls 30
DarthHate: raises 105 to 135
abc inc: folds
acerol: folds
huckleberrie: calls 120
CTRLFreak: calls 105
casacubana: calls 105
twicetimes: folds
*** FLOP *** [4s Qh 2d]
huckleberrie: checks
CTRLFreak: checks
casacubana: bets 330
DarthHate: calls 330
huckleberrie: calls 330
CTRLFreak: folds
*** TURN *** [4s Qh 2d] [4d]
huckleberrie: checks
casacubana: bets 1110 and is all-in
DarthHate: calls 1110
huckleberrie: calls 1110
*** RIVER *** [4s Qh 2d 4d] [Jd]
huckleberrie: bets 2625 and is all-in
DarthHate: calls 2625
*** SHOW DOWN ***
huckleberrie: shows [6d 5d] (a flush, Jack high)
DarthHate: shows [As Qc] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
huckleberrie collected 5250 from side pot
casacubana: shows [3d Qd] (a flush, Queen high)
DarthHate said, "wow"
casacubana collected 4890 from main pot
DarthHate said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10140 Main pot 4890. Side pot 5250. | Rake 0
Board [4s Qh 2d 4d Jd]
Seat 2: twicetimes folded before Flop
Seat 3: DarthHate showed [As Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
Seat 4: abc inc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: acerol (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: huckleberrie (small blind) showed [6d 5d] and won (5250) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 7: CTRLFreak (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: MadMaestro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: casacubana showed [3d Qd] and won (4890) with a flush, Queen high

[drain]

asta nu-i nimic pe langa asta. traiasca randomul de pe stars

PokerStars Game #10476491563: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/06/17 - 05:47:31 (ET)
Table 'McMath' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: whiskeystink ($123.40 in chips)
Seat 2: scrillaxxx ($46.10 in chips)
Seat 3: donkey811 ($32.65 in chips)
Seat 4: tiyoyo77 ($266.85 in chips)
Seat 6: zexe01 ($26.75 in chips)
scrillaxxx: posts small blind $0.25
donkey811: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zexe01 [As Qd Ks Qh]
tiyoyo77: calls $0.50
zexe01: raises $1.75 to $2.25
whiskeystink: folds
scrillaxxx: folds
donkey811: raises $5.25 to $7.50
tiyoyo77: folds
zexe01: calls $5.25
*** FLOP *** [Ts 3s 6s]
donkey811: bets $15
zexe01: raises $4.25 to $19.25 and is all-in
donkey811: calls $4.25
*** TURN *** [Ts 3s 6s] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 3s 6s Th] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
donkey811: shows [Ad Kh Ah 4c] (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
zexe01: mucks hand
donkey811 collected $52.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $54.25 | Rake $2
Board [Ts 3s 6s Th Ac]
Seat 1: whiskeystink (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: scrillaxxx (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: donkey811 (big blind) showed [Ad Kh Ah 4c] and won ($52.25) with a full house, Aces full of Tens
Seat 4: tiyoyo77 folded before Flop
Seat 6: zexe01 mucked [As Qd Ks Qh]

[danigsb]

...
donkey811: shows [Ad Kh Ah 4c] (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
zexe01: mucks hand
donkey811 collected $52.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $54.25 | Rake $2
Board [Ts 3s 6s Th Ac]
Seat 1: whiskeystink (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: scrillaxxx (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: donkey811 (big blind) showed [Ad Kh Ah 4c] and won ($52.25) with a full house, Aces full of Tens
Seat 4: tiyoyo77 folded before Flop
Seat 6: zexe01 mucked [As Qd Ks Qh]

Dupa parerea mea la omaha nu exista bad beat ... cand am vazut mana asta mi-am amintit ca azi dimineata am ramas HU cu unu dupa flop ala avea chinta facuta pe flop ... eram sigur ptr ca betuia ca disperatul eu AAxx ... era 1,5$ de call ii dau call si intra pe turn A ... tot chinta lui era nuts .. betuie tipul iara pot ,,,, eu call (simteam ca daca o intrat A-ul aia de la situl de poker o sa-mi dea fullul pe river ) si bineinteles ca s-a dublat un 9 si i-am tras-o .

Nu stiu cat de profitabil e pe termen lung .. dar pe termen scurt iti ridica moralul

[dragoshelu]

Cel mai avantajos flop posibil pentru AA este asta. Bineinteles, odata ce ai dat raise preflop, cu cat tripsul de pe flop e mai mic, asii tai sunt intr-o forma mai buna. Allinul lui nu avea alt sens decat cu AJ, KK, QQ, QJs, orice alt holding l-ar fi tinut in frau pe animal (un jucator de talie mondiala ar fi evitat escaladarea potului inclusiv cu QQ). Sansele de AJ/Qjs sunt mai mari decat de KK sau QQ pur statistic cumulat cu faptul ca avand KK sau QQ ar fi facut un raise preflop.
Daca era jocul vietii tale, probabil ca aceasta mica nebuloasa (AJ/QJs sau KK/QQ) te-ar fi putut determina sa foldezi - pokerul te pune adesea in situatii de castig mai sigure decat asta. Dar daca miza jocului e una "regular", decizia asta pe muchie de cutit ar trebui sa tinda limpede spre call.
Ca s-a intamplat nemaintamplabilul, ia-o asa: era scris sa nu fie ala jocul tau.

Intrebare: cum ai fi jucat mana asta la WSOP?

la wsop in early stage as arunca dupa flop.
dar daca as fi deja in bani si short-stack allin preflop (oricum el dadea call la all-in cu AJs)
la turneul asta mai eram 26-28 si primii 10 in bani. el era cam pe 2 la chipsuri si eu pe 5-6.

putea sa dea re-raise si cu AJs sau putea sa dea call daca avea KK, QQ .

la carbon nu sunt jucatori asa buni si turneul asta era 2.20$ buy-in 200$ guaranteed.

multumesc pentru analiza. deci trebuia sa arunc.

ciao

[sever]

Satelit pe FT. 24$+2$. Last 13/70. Primii 3 luau bilet de 535$ pt WSOP 100 seats guaranteed si locul 4 75$. Eram cam pe 4-5.

Dar intr-un interval 2 minute am 2 miini:

Full Tilt Poker Game #2690412858: Satellite to 100 Seat Guarantee (20374332), Table 4 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:01:22 ET - 2007/06/17
Seat 1: jaymz27 (13,726)
Seat 4: SeaLShore (11,631)
Seat 5: ragnarokk (3,493)
Seat 6: gizmopark (3,456)
Seat 7: TeDesCo2007 (19,687)
Seat 9: s3ver (7,200)
jaymz27 antes 50
SeaLShore antes 50
ragnarokk antes 50
gizmopark antes 50
TeDesCo2007 antes 50
s3ver antes 50
s3ver posts the small blind of 200
jaymz27 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [10s] [10h]
SeaLShore folds
ragnarokk raises to 3,443, and is all in (maniak)
gizmopark folds
TeDesCo2007 folds
s3ver raises to 7,150, and is all in
jaymz27 has 15 seconds left to act
jaymz27 folds
s3ver shows [10s] [10h]
ragnarokk shows [9d] [ah]
ragnarokk: gg, gl all
Uncalled bet of 3,707 returned to s3ver
*** FLOP *** [2h] [7s] [js]
*** TURN *** [2h] [7s] [js] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [2h] [7s] [js] [8h] [10d]
s3ver shows three of a kind, Tens
ragnarokk shows a straight, Jack high
ragnarokk wins the pot (7,586) with a straight, Jack high

Full Tilt Poker Game #2690420174: Satellite to 100 Seat Guarantee (20374332), Table 4 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:03:00 ET - 2007/06/17
Seat 1: jaymz27 (12,976)
Seat 4: SeaLShore (10,681)
Seat 5: ragnarokk (7,086)
Seat 6: gizmopark (4,206)
Seat 7: TeDesCo2007 (20,637)
Seat 9: s3ver (3,607)
jaymz27 antes 50
SeaLShore antes 50
ragnarokk antes 50
gizmopark antes 50
TeDesCo2007 antes 50
s3ver antes 50
ragnarokk posts the small blind of 200
gizmopark posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [ac] [as]
TeDesCo2007 folds
s3ver raises to 1,300
jaymz27 has 15 seconds left to act
jaymz27 raises to 12,926, and is all in
SeaLShore folds
ragnarokk folds
gizmopark folds
s3ver calls 2,257, and is all in
jaymz27 shows [ks] [kh]
s3ver shows [ac] [as]
Uncalled bet of 9,369 returned to jaymz27
*** FLOP *** [5s] [kc] [7s]
*** TURN *** [5s] [kc] [7s] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [5s] [kc] [7s] [7d] [jc]
jaymz27 shows a full house, Kings full of Sevens
s3ver shows two pair, Aces and Sevens
jaymz27 wins the pot (8,014) with a full house, Kings full of Sevens
SeaLShore: sick
ragnarokk: ul, gg
s3ver stands up

[touche]

loll

Uitasem cum sta treaba pe la playtech
Mi'am amintit brusc si chiar la prima mana jucata.