Probleme la masa finala

[muscledgangsta]

Joc la turnee cu buyinul intre 2-11$ cu 2k, 4k NL Texas Hold'em garantat. Joc strategic: tight-eraly, stilul meu de joc - middle, iar cand ajung la ultimi 20-30 de jucatori pur si simplu nu am curajul sa joc loose-agressive, chiar daca cam asa am jucat in middle. Tot ce am in minte este: ultimi 20 de jucatori lasa-i pe aia cu chipsuri putine sa iasa afara crescandu-ti tie sansele sa castigi mai multi bani, si apoi sa joci mai agresiv la masa finala. Vreau sa mentionez ca reusesc sa acumulez chipusri de 2 ori mai mult decat average chip stack in middle iar apoi scad incet, incet pana la masa finala. In fine planul meu functionezaza si ajung la masa finala cu putin sub average stack. Aici vad vreo 2-3 jucatori cu mult sub average, asa ca ii las pe ei sa iasa afara ceea ce ma face sa joc si mai tight. Mi-e ciuda ca am citit atatea tips-uri si carti spunandu-mi CLAR, sa joc cat mai agresiv posibil la masa finala. Eu fac exact invers: tight. Pentru ca este atat de usor sa pierd totul intr-o mana jucand loose joc tight. M-am gandit sa joc loose doar contra stackurilor mici, dar oricum ei stiu ca nu au sansa sa castige decat daca dubleaza asa ca imi vor da rasie allin afecandu-ma mult pe mine daca pierd. Ajutorul pe care il cer eu este: cum sa inlatur acest gand negru : joaca tight si lasa-i pe ceilalti sa iasa. De fiecare data cand ajung la masa finala ies pe locul 6-7, si stiu ca pot mai mult.
Multumesc anticipat.

[sever]

Daca nu iti permiti un abonament la pokerxfactor uita-te la videourile lui tzompu de pe holdem.ro

[Asul]

Pai la masa finala chiar trebuie sa joci tight.

[Al Locust]

Tips-urile alea sunt generale.
Nu cred ca trebuie sa te gandesti ca trebuie neaparat sa joci mai loose intr-o anumita perioada a turneului si mai tight in alta.
Cel mai bine cred ca este daca ai incercat sa te adaptezi la masa la care esti. Daca la masa cand se da un raise preflop de cele mai multe ori toata lumea foldeaza, atunci joci un pic mai loose, incerci sa furi mai multe blinduri. Daca in majoritatea timpului se da call la raise-uri preflop, atunci ridici miza mai rar. Apoi trebuie sa fii atent la fiecare jucator in parte; de exemplu, daca unul da prea des raise ai putea la un moment dat sa-i dai un reraise, chiar daca nu ai mana foarte buna.
Eu cred ca totul tine de adaptabilitate. Sa joci masa.

[muscledgangsta]

Tips-urile alea sunt generale.
Nu cred ca trebuie sa te gandesti ca trebuie neaparat sa joci mai loose intr-o anumita perioada a turneului si mai tight in alta.
Cel mai bine cred ca este daca ai incercat sa te adaptezi la masa la care esti. Daca la masa cand se da un raise preflop de cele mai multe ori toata lumea foldeaza, atunci joci un pic mai loose, incerci sa furi mai multe blinduri. Daca in majoritatea timpului se da call la raise-uri preflop, atunci ridici miza mai rar. Apoi trebuie sa fii atent la fiecare jucator in parte; de exemplu, daca unul da prea des raise ai putea la un moment dat sa-i dai un reraise, chiar daca nu ai mana foarte buna.
Eu cred ca totul tine de adaptabilitate. Sa joci masa.

Mersi de reaspuns. Adaptablilitate, am inteles. Dar am totusi inca o intrebare: are rost sa incerc sa fur blindsurile de la stackurile mici cu maini de genu 9-10s?

[touche]

Depinde. Pozitie si jucatori. Adaptabilitatea aia ...
Mie i'mi place sa pun presiune pe BB cand sunt SB ..asha m'a invatat unu'
Si il fur de obicei intr'o veselia ...mai ales daca e tight.

[sever]

aha... si uite cum se duce respectul la masa daca faci asta prea des

[Al Locust]

Mersi de reaspuns. Adaptablilitate, am inteles. Dar am totusi inca o intrebare: are rost sa incerc sa fur blindsurile de la stackurile mici cu maini de genu 9-10s?

Depinde cat de tight e stack-ul mic pe care vrei sa-l furi, depinde cat des vrei sa faci asta, depinde cat de mic e stack-ul de la care vrei sa furi, depinde cat de mare ai tu stack-ul.

[sever]

da, fura de la medii/short si nu de la mari sau foarte short

daca furi din cind in cind din pozitie, o sa se mai arunce... dar nu fura cu garbage gen 9-5 sau Q7s

[Al Locust]

da, fura de la medii/short si nu de la mari sau foarte short

daca furi din cind in cind din pozitie, o sa se mai arunce... dar nu fura cu garbage gen 9-5 sau Q7s

Depinde ce stii despre jucatorii care mai sunt in mana.
Eu am facut re-steal-uri (reraise la raise-uri) si cu 25o.
Dar asta pentru ca eram peste 90% sigur ca imi reuseste.

[sever]

n-am zis de resteal, doar primul raise

[Al Locust]

Pai, mi se pare mai greu sa faci re-steal decat sa faci steal.

[sever]

tu mi-ai dat quote, cu tot postul, asa ca am crezut ca te refereai la postul meu si am precizat ceva. nu am vorbit de resteal.

ok

[Al Locust]

Iar eu voiam sa zic ca, din moment ce e mai greu sa faci re-steal - trebuie sa-ti alegi omul si cartile cu care faci mult mai atent - atunci steal poti sa faci cu o varietate mai mare de maini, chiar si Q7s si 95.

[sever]

ok, asta e o prostie, daca iti iei call macar sa ai carti decente. dar na, poate cu Q7 ai sanse la doua chinte



Establishing a Tight Table Image
A. Cunningham, Bluff Magazine, autumn 2007

In poker, image matters.

Throughout a tournament, your table image will help determine how much action you'll get and, ultimately, how you can manipulate your opponents into making big calls or big laydowns at the wrong times.

While establishing a loose, aggressive image early on can help build your initial chip stack, I believe it's important to develop a tight table image in the later stages of a tournament because it gives you the ability to maneuver at the times when the chips matter most.

When the action is folded around, some players will always raise from the cutoff and the button. The problem with this play is that's its predictable and can be easily exploited. If you always raise from the button, the players in the blinds catch on sooner or later and will put in a big re-raise with any two cards. You will also find players just calling you with a much wider range of hands from the blinds before putting in a big check-raise on the flop.

Why do they do this? Because you have been presenting a loose table image by raising any time the action is passed to you. During late-stage play, this image hampers your ability to maneuver because any time you try to make a move, it's likely that someone will play back at you.

It doesn't take long before your loose table image will make you a target for the experienced players at the table (or even the inexperienced players who get tired of being pushed around). The amount of chips you risk by being loose in these situations is usually not worth the reward of just picking up the blinds. Be careful, though, because when you play too tight you end up missing many opportunities to slowly accumulate chips or even just stay afloat. Ideally, you want to project a very tight image while actually being somewhere in between the standard perceptions of "loose" and "tight."

I have one very simple piece of advice to help you with this part of your game. It may sound so simple you would wonder why I bother mentioning it but, in fact, this is one of my most important rules: Always fold junk.

By always folding junk hands, you accomplish a number of goals:

* You resist the temptation to attempt a blind-steal just because action was passed to you. With the level of aggressiveness that characterizes today's play, it's better to pass on bad hands even in position.
* You avoid pot-committing yourself with a hand that will usually be dominated in a race with a short-stack. For example, if you raise from the cutoff for 3x the big blind with J-3 attempting to steal the blinds and a stack with 8x the big blind moves in behind you, you are in a bad spot. It's better to just avoid these situations altogether.
* Most importantly, you further cement your image as a tight player. Now when you raise with a hand like A-8, you can feel confident that your tight image will allow you to steal the blinds although you're actually playing a bit looser.

Another temptation players face is to pick on someone's blind just because they view that player as "weak." I rarely pick on someone's blinds without a decent opening hand. Opening from the cut-off with a hand like K-9 suited is about as low as I'm willing to go in attempt to just pick up the blinds.

Using my tight table image enabled me to maneuver through a very tough field in the $5,000 Pot-Limit Hold 'em event at the 2007 WSOP*. After I doubled up early in Day 2, I used my table image in the late stages to steal blinds and to pick up a number of pots in key situations. I was able to carry this momentum to the final table, where I was fortunate enough to win the bracelet.

Remember, it takes more than good cards to be a winning player. By creating a solid table image in the late stages of a tournament, you may actually be able to play a wider variety of hands than your opponents expect and take down key pots at critical times.