maini de analizat.

[tzompu]

Aici nu e ring asa ca nu stiu cum joaca lumea(adika nu mai tin minte sa fiu corect).


1)PokerStars Game #11329059729: Tournament #56614763, $200+$15 Hold'em No
Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/08/05 - 18:54:35 (ET)
Table '56614763 60' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ZidaneLovesU (2000 in chips)
Seat 2: tzompu (3595 in chips)
Seat 3: fouruhaters (5185 in chips)
Seat 4: boldmovesir (4020 in chips)
Seat 5: razor3334 (1815 in chips)
Seat 6: playentowin (2820 in chips)
Seat 7: Plotkaek (3215 in chips)
Seat 8: idolaf (2705 in chips)
Seat 9: NORCALonica (5445 in chips)
razor3334: posts small blind 15
playentowin: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tzompu [5h 4s]
Plotkaek: folds
idolaf: folds
NORCALonica: folds
ZidaneLovesU: folds
tzompu: calls 30
fouruhaters: folds
boldmovesir: calls 30
razor3334: calls 15
playentowin: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 7d 5d]
razor3334: checks
playentowin: bets 60
tzompu?

2)Aici jucatorul a mai facut o data check raise cand era pe un draw si era fish-ul de la masa.
PokerStars Game #11329306409: Tournament #56614763, $200+$15 Hold'em No
Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/08/05 - 19:09:05 (ET)
Table '56614763 60' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: River Prayer (3190 in chips)
Seat 2: tzompu (3985 in chips)
Seat 3: fouruhaters (8360 in chips)
Seat 4: boldmovesir (4050 in chips)
Seat 5: DVX20 (5825 in chips)
Seat 6: playentowin (2930 in chips)
Seat 7: Plotkaek (3025 in chips)
Seat 8: idolaf (2555 in chips)
Seat 9: NORCALonica (6175 in chips)
fouruhaters: posts small blind 25
boldmovesir: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tzompu [8h Jc]
DVX20: folds
playentowin: folds
Plotkaek: folds
idolaf: folds
NORCALonica: folds
River Prayer: folds
tzompu: raises 100 to 150
fouruhaters: calls 125
boldmovesir: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [Tc 9d 8s]
fouruhaters: checks
boldmovesir: checks
tzompu: bets 200
fouruhaters: folds
boldmovesir: raises 300 to 500
tzompu: calls 300
*** TURN *** [Tc 9d 8s] [Th]
boldmovesir: bets 800
tzompu?

3)Seat 1: wolfbluffer (9875 in chips)
Seat 2: Internatio (4340 in chips)
Seat 3: jpa_25 (3140 in chips)
Seat 4: jamie2000 (1395 in chips)
Seat 5: hoga (2425 in chips)
Seat 6: tzompu (3145 in chips)
Seat 7: WhiteDrgn888 (6480 in chips)
Seat 8: da_nuts24 (1620 in chips)
Seat 9: Sleepy WesaL (3285 in chips)
tzompu: posts small blind 75
WhiteDrgn888: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tzompu [7h Th]
da_nuts24: calls 150
Sleepy WesaL: folds
wolfbluffer: calls 150
Internatio: calls 150
jpa_25: folds
jamie2000: folds
hoga: folds
tzompu: calls 75
WhiteDrgn888: checks
*** FLOP *** [9d 8h 5d]
tzompu: bets 450
WhiteDrgn888: folds
da_nuts24: raises 1020 to 1470 and is all-in
wolfbluffer: folds
Internatio: calls 1470
tzompu?


4)PokerStars Game #11329959766: Tournament #56614763, $200+$15 Hold'em No
Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/08/05 - 19:47:04 (ET)
Table '56614763 52' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: wolfbluffer (10325 in chips)
Seat 2: UcfChamp (2355 in chips)
Seat 3: jpa_25 (3065 in chips)
Seat 4: jamie2000 (1170 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: hoga (3770 in chips)
Seat 6: tzompu (8060 in chips)
Seat 7: WhiteDrgn888 (7770 in chips)
Seat 8: michael1123 (9591 in chips)
Seat 9: Sleepy WesaL (2835 in chips)
hoga: posts small blind 75
tzompu: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tzompu [Jh Qs]
michael1123 said, "was I not just at this table?"
WhiteDrgn888: folds
michael1123: folds
Sleepy WesaL: folds
wolfbluffer: folds
UcfChamp: folds
jpa_25: raises 300 to 450
jamie2000: folds
hoga: folds
tzompu: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [9h 8s Ac]
tzompu: checks
jpa_25: bets 500
tzompu?



5)PokerStars Game #11330453425: Tournament #56614763, $200+$15 Hold'em No
Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/08/05 - 20:16:07 (ET)
Table '56614763 34' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kudos1017 (2460 in chips)
Seat 2: tzompu (9699 in chips)
Seat 3: Batera (5410 in chips)
Seat 4: 2POKER2 (4080 in chips)
Seat 5: scarface_79 (11950 in chips)
Seat 6: dolphin (2620 in chips)
Seat 7: danimalx (6615 in chips)
Seat 8: FilmDirector (6020 in chips)
Seat 9: The-Toilet 0 (8525 in chips)
kudos1017: posts the ante 10
tzompu: posts the ante 10
Batera: posts the ante 10
2POKER2: posts the ante 10
scarface_79: posts the ante 10
dolphin: posts the ante 10
danimalx: posts the ante 10
FilmDirector: posts the ante 10
The-Toilet 0: posts the ante 10
Batera: posts small blind 100
2POKER2: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tzompu [Jc As]
scarface_79: folds
dolphin: folds
danimalx: folds
FilmDirector: folds
The-Toilet 0: folds
kudos1017: folds
tzompu: raises 400 to 600
Batera: folds
2POKER2: raises 3400 to 4000
tzompu?

6)PokerStars Game #11330917375: Tournament #56614763, $200+$15 Hold'em No
Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2007/08/05 - 20:44:05 (ET)
Table '56614763 34' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kudos1017 (5220 in chips)
Seat 2: tzompu (10079 in chips)
Seat 3: Batera (4735 in chips)
Seat 4: 2POKER2 (7040 in chips)
Seat 5: scarface_79 (11935 in chips)
Seat 7: smat88 (2530 in chips)
Seat 8: FilmDirector (5735 in chips)
Seat 9: The-Toilet 0 (12655 in chips)
kudos1017: posts the ante 20
tzompu: posts the ante 20
Batera: posts the ante 20
2POKER2: posts the ante 20
scarface_79: posts the ante 20
smat88: posts the ante 20
FilmDirector: posts the ante 20
The-Toilet 0: posts the ante 20
Batera: posts small blind 200
2POKER2: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tzompu [Ah 7d]
scarface_79: folds
smat88: folds
FilmDirector: folds
The-Toilet 0: folds
kudos1017: folds
tzompu: raises 800 to 1200
Batera: folds
2POKER2: raises 5820 to 7020 and is all-in
tzompu?

Momentan atatea o sa mai postez mai tarziu mai multe.

[obs]

Majoritatea is decizii simple. Ne intinzi o capcana?

[Ygrek]

Ce mai vrei de la om cand ai A7o si face un 3bet allin? Fold mai usor rar gasesti. Daca ai read ca e ciumete si tiltat poti lua in calcul un call dar nu prea vad ce e de analizat la ce ai postat aici. Sau cea nr 4 cu qj care nu te nimereste ce altceva decat fold ai putea face?

[touche]

Aici nu e ring asa ca nu stiu cum joaca lumea(adika nu mai tin minte sa fiu corect).

In cazul asta : FOLD.
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Sa fim serioshi ..nu prea se poate analiza ceva in conditziile de fatza.
In rest ..de acord cu Obs

[sever]

acuma nu va blocati pe aia cu A7

[nowonda]

1 - pereche cu gutshot, mana buna doar daca te bati cu un OP, altfel e f probabil sa ti-o iei chiar si cand iti intra unul din outuri. Pe langa asta amicul face stab at the pot din SB, e cam riscant sa te bati cu SB-ii in poturi limped. Exact ce sa faci e greu de zis, depinde in general de stil, da' la ce stack si ce blinduri sunt deocamdata parca e mai bine sa stai calm, adica fold, eboard prea legat si draw-ul tau prea weak ca sa fii sigur ca daca intra ceva chiar esti puternic.

2 - iar ai combo frumos, dar slab impotriva unui asa board, unele outuri iti sunt sigur anulate, nu sunt de acord sa dau o treime din stack pe un draw care si atunci cand intra e prea evident si nu mai scoate bani, in conditiile in care inca stai bine cu stackul.

3 - ai 4:1, cam cat iti tb pt turn cu OESD, dar daca platesti dai juma din stack, adica de fapt decizia e intre fold si all-in. Porblema e ca la cum s-a jucat e f posibil sa n-ai decat 6 outs, nu 8 (flush draw lurking) si atunci nu prea se mai merita. Plus, mai stii, redraws de la un set/2p. Oricum lead-ul ala nu mi se pare bun, n-ai deloc fe acolo.

4 - raise la 1300-1500, cat sa reprezinti un AK "evident". Daca esti platit sau raised te-ai oprit pe turn, de cele mai multe ori.

5 - fold clar, call cu AJoff la raise all-in de la unu nu f disperat pt juma de stack cu M 25 e clar greseala.

6 - inteleg ca e acelasi amic de la mana 5, si ca-ti vine sa-i dai un call, dar mana e chiar prea slaba si ala nu pare a avea ceva cu tine personal, vda ca au trecut 30 de minute intre mainile astea doua.

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[tzompu]

1)tzompu: folds
boldmovesir: folds
razor3334: calls 60
*** TURN *** [8h 7d 5d] [6h]
razor3334: checks
playentowin: checks
*** RIVER *** [8h 7d 5d 6h] [4d]
razor3334: checks
playentowin: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
razor3334: shows [Jh Qs] (a straight, Four to Eight)
playentowin: shows [Ah 8s] (a straight, Four to Eight)
razor3334 collected 120 from pot
playentowin collected 120 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 240 | Rake 0
Board [8h 7d 5d 6h 4d]
Seat 1: ZidaneLovesU folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tzompu folded on the Flop
Seat 3: fouruhaters folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: boldmovesir (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: razor3334 (small blind) showed [Jh Qs] and won (120) with a
straight, Four to Eight
Seat 6: playentowin (big blind) showed [Ah 8s] and won (120) with a
straight, Four to Eight
Seat 7: Plotkaek folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: idolaf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NORCALonica folded before Flop (didn't bet)


2)tzompu: calls 800
*** RIVER *** [Tc 9d 8s Th] [Kc]
boldmovesir: checks
tzompu: bets 2535 and is all-in
boldmovesir: folds
tzompu collected 3050 from pot
tzompu: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3050 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 9d 8s Th Kc]
Seat 1: River Prayer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tzompu (button) collected (3050)
Seat 3: fouruhaters (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: boldmovesir (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: DVX20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: playentowin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Plotkaek folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: idolaf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NORCALonica folded before Flop (didn't bet)

3)tzompu: raises 1525 to 2995 and is all-in
Internatio: calls 1525
*** TURN *** [9d 8h 5d] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [9d 8h 5d Ks] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tzompu: shows [7h Th] (a straight, Six to Ten)
Internatio: shows [2d 4d] (high card King)
tzompu collected 3050 from side pot
da_nuts24: shows [Kh Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
tzompu collected 5160 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8210 Main pot 5160. Side pot 3050. | Rake 0
Board [9d 8h 5d Ks 6s]
Seat 1: wolfbluffer folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Internatio showed [2d 4d] and lost with high card King
Seat 3: jpa_25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jamie2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hoga (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: tzompu (small blind) showed [7h Th] and won (8210) with a
straight, Six to Ten
Seat 7: WhiteDrgn888 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: da_nuts24 showed [Kh Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 9: Sleepy WesaL folded before Flop (didn't bet)


4)tzompu: raises 1600 to 2100
jpa_25: folds
tzompu collected 1975 from pot
tzompu: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1975 | Rake 0
Board [9h 8s Ac]
Seat 1: wolfbluffer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: UcfChamp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jpa_25 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jamie2000 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hoga (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: tzompu (big blind) collected (1975)
Seat 7: WhiteDrgn888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: michael1123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Sleepy WesaL folded before Flop (didn't bet)

5)tzompu: raises 3400 to 7400
2POKER2: calls 70 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3c Js Qs]
*** TURN *** [3c Js Qs] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [3c Js Qs 7c] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2POKER2: shows [Qc Ks] (a pair of Queens)
tzompu: shows [Jc As] (a pair of Jacks)
2POKER2 collected 8330 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8330 | Rake 0
Board [3c Js Qs 7c 2h]
Seat 1: kudos1017 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tzompu (button) showed [Jc As] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: Batera (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: 2POKER2 (big blind) showed [Qc Ks] and won (8330) with a pair
of Queens
Seat 5: scarface_79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dolphin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: danimalx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FilmDirector folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: The-Toilet 0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

6)tzompu: calls 5820
*** FLOP *** [4h Ts Jc]
*** TURN *** [4h Ts Jc] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [4h Ts Jc 2c] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2POKER2: shows [Kc Tc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
tzompu: shows [Ah 7d] (high card Ace)
2POKER2 collected 14400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14400 | Rake 0
Board [4h Ts Jc 2c Ks]
Seat 1: kudos1017 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tzompu (button) showed [Ah 7d] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: Batera (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: 2POKER2 (big blind) showed [Kc Tc] and won (14400) with two
pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 5: scarface_79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: smat88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FilmDirector folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: The-Toilet 0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Dupa parerile voastre o sa va dau si explicatile de ce am facut ce am facut si o sa mai pun si alte maini ,sper sa fiu de ajutor cu gandirea mea.

[touche]

Astept explicatile "de ce ai facut ce ai facut" ...

[lyncks]

tzompu, esti numit mare fish pe alte forumuri mari pentru unele din mainile alea lol
oricum ggggggg

[tzompu]

Sa inceapa balciul

1)Prima mana fold direct nu are rost sa te complici la blindurile astea.

2)Era fish-ul mesei a mai jucat o mana cu unu inainte si tot la fel a dat check raise pe un draw juca f multe maini.Mana asta am postat-o deoarece am vrut sa demonstrez ca e bine sa fii atent la masa si la oponenti.

Call-ul de pe flop a fost bun aveam destule outs si stiam ca daca e sa nu imi intre o carte favorabila pot sa ¨outplay¨ adversarul pe turn sau sa dau fold daca intra o carte care sa ma sperie.
turn-ul a fost de minune ptr ca eu l-am pus pe draw nu am dat re-raise ca imi era frica sa primesc call de la A9 ,7 9 sau de la 9 J(deoarece cu J9 era un call instant de la el si de la oricine presupun).

Ultima carte a fost perfecta K deoarece nu avea cum sa joace asa K9 sau K8 pe turn dadea check 90% din situatii.Cand a dat check mi-am dat seama ca nu i-a intrat draw-ul si l-am pus pe 87 sau pe 8 6.Am dat all-in `ptr ca vroiam sa reprezin K si sa il arunc din mana daca avea un 9 nu am vrut sa risk sa dau check si sa aibe un 9.

3)Eu joc sa castig si aici stiam ca daca ma triplez o sa fie perfect calculati voi pot odds si sa imi spuneti daca a fost corect.
Am dat all-in ca poate reuseam sa il scot din pot.

4)Cu ce pot eu sa dau call din bb fara pozitie?eu zic ce gandeste omul .Cu ce poate el sa dea raise din cut off?Cu Ax,,22-KK,KQKJKT,Qj QT,JT.... mai sunt multe.Un jucator mare a spus ca e necesar la turnee sa aiti aperi bb-ul cu e la ring necesar sa iti aperi buttonul(nu stiu daca ma intelegi dar nu conteaza).

5)De ce ar face el re-raise-ul asa mare?de ce ii e frica? sa nu primeasca call de la Arag? sau de la o pereche mica?de ce vrea sa ma arunce din pot? inseamna ca ii e frica de ceva nu?

6)La mana asta nu stiu ce sa zic in momentul ala am zis ca range-ul lui e f mare si din nou de ce sa dai re-raise asa mare de ce iti e frica?de ce nu vrei sa primesti call?cumva ca poate sa fie un coin flip sau ca vrei sa ma arunci din mana cu A rag sau KQ KJ?

Si nu uitati ca poker-ul nu e un joc de carti e un joc de oameni niciodata sa nu uitati chestia asta.

P.S:Nu vreau sa ma laud dar lyncks uite-te la rezultatele mele si dupaia crede pe alta lume.

[nowonda]

la 3 n-ai cum sa-l mai arunci pe ala. din moment ca a dat un cold call de 1500 in pot de 2700 nu se mai arunca pt inca 1500 in pot de 5700 nici intr-o mie de ani, fe = 0. iar daca il judeci in termni de pseudo-call (all-in-ul tau adica) nu prea esti aproape de ce-ti tb, ai f putin peste 2:1 de la pot, dar sanse peste 3:1 daca te bati doar cu un flush draw, si mai mici daca te bati si cu un set (redraws). Iar dupa cum s-a jucat mana cold callerul are flush draw mai tot timpul. si-am zis si in primul post, lead betul ala nu mi se pare deloc bun. da, mai tot timpul e bine sa ataci atunci cand oricum ai de gand sa platesti un eventual bet, dar asta e prea putin valabil intr-un pot 5-way limped pf cu flush draw pe el, mai degraba faci check-raise daca tot vrei sa joci draw-ul agresiv.

la 5, daca omul are 99+ iti face automat reraise la blindurile alea, si tinand cont de stack orice reraise pt el e de fapt pot commited. Pe langa asta potul s-a facut deja 25% din stackul lui, e de-ajuns, merita strans pf cu orice de la 99+ la AJ+, chiar si cu KQ. Acolo tind sa cred ca chiar te-ai nimerit sa te bati cu cea mai slaba mana din tot range-ul, i.e. KQ. Pe langa asta, dupa cum ai vazut, si KQ mai bate AJ, si nu chiar rar. In f putin cazuri domini usor (3:2), in unele cazuri e race, iar de cele mai multe ori esti mult in spate (JJ+, AQ+), stack de manevra inca mai ai, fold.

6 idem, mai mult sau mai putin, cu mentiuea ca mana e chiar panarama de dat call cu ea

[touche]

Si nu uitati ca poker-ul nu e un joc de carti e un joc de oameni niciodata sa nu uitati chestia asta...Mana asta am postat-o deoarece am vrut sa demonstrez ca e bine sa fii atent la masa si la oponenti.

CORECT! Dar te contrazici un pic.

Aici nu e ring asa ca nu stiu cum joaca lumea(adika nu mai tin minte sa fiu corect).
.

[tzompu]

Nu vroiam sa dau explicatii la maini ca dupaia zicea lumea ca sunt fish cum au si zis... vroiam sa vad parerea lor atat tot dar dupaia m-am atacat prea rau