(mtt) Ce parere aveti de raiseurile x2

[sever]

Ce credeti despre jucatorii care dau raise dublu la turnee? Inclusiv despre cei care dau x2 dupa ce inaintea lor este un limper sau doi!

Obicei prost de la limit? Fishi?
Dar despre raiseurile x2 din utg? Strong? ...
Zilele astea o sa pun niste miini pe care le-am pastrat

[McDani_Poker]

Hmm, am vazut la greu pe stars faze de astea.
1.Aia care dau 2xBB din UTG poate au premium hand si asteapta sa primeasca un reraise.
2.raise 2xBB avand KJ sau AT, A9, QJ, sau small pairs.
3.Sau altii care sunt foarte fishi

[Mist3rFish]

Acum ma gandesc ca depinde si de starea turneului...daca sunt early stages parerea mea este ca au ceva suited .. J K 's ( desi asta nu e mana de raise ) sau un A x ( fara top Q K J 10 ) , ar mai fi si middle suited connector 5 6 - 7 8 ..Si in sfarsit small pairs unde zik ca nu se merita raiseul facut.
Acum am si yo o intrebare ca sa numai deschis alt thread ...de ce intra lumea limp cu AK AQ sau AJ ?? Am vazut pa multi facand asta si am ramas uimit !! ce parere aveti despre jucatorii astia ? Sa fie niste fishi sau intind un trap ??

[Dragu]

e) toate variantele de mai sus. si fishi si maini strong orice se poate.depinde de jucator. nici eu nu pot sa suport raiserurile x2. oricum e bine sa dai reraise la BBx4 sa ramai doar cu unu maxim 2 si daca primesti reraise stii unde stai si il poti pune pe monster pierzand minim astfel.oricum sunt o prostie, cu monster dai odds adversarilor, cu mana slaba umflii potul aiurea. raise x2 este clar o actiune fisheasca problema e cum o gestionezi tu, eu dau reraise la x4 exceptand fazele late din turneu cand raise x2 pot insemna multe chipsuri

[Eclipsa]

AA sau KK, daca nu asta probabil au suited conectors si vor sa faca potul mai frumos si fac raise 2X ca sa creada lumea ca au o carte f buna si ca sa vada totusi un flop ieftin facandu-i pe ceilalti sa plateasca raise-ul lor mic si nu invers

[sever]

Nu putem trage o concluzie... altfel era mai usor pokerul.

Oricum:
- au sooted cards, vor potul mai mare in caz ca fac flush
- sint obisnuiti cu limit si nu stiu sa dea beturi corecte
- daca sint in utg poate insemna capcana!
- mai sint unii care dau raise x2 chiar daca sint 2-3-4 limperi. Astia au premium hand dar nu vor sa sperie lumea si spera sa le tina mina pina la final (cer putin in continuare)

PokerStars Game #10432025986: Tournament #52345356, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/06/14 - 13:33:14 (ET)
Table '52345356 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ryanmack91 (5890 in chips)
Seat 3: hogan0922 (5735 in chips)
Seat 4: s3ver (5210 in chips)
Seat 5: YOKULT (7725 in chips)
Seat 6: sven_royal (790 in chips)
Seat 7: Kunigas (3240 in chips)
Seat 8: spatser (7665 in chips)
Seat 9: grimesey (13265 in chips)
ryanmack91: posts the ante 50
hogan0922: posts the ante 50
s3ver: posts the ante 50
YOKULT: posts the ante 50
sven_royal: posts the ante 50
Kunigas: posts the ante 50
spatser: posts the ante 50
grimesey: posts the ante 50
sven_royal: posts small blind 300
Kunigas: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [Kd Ac]
spatser: folds
grimesey: raises 600 to 1200
ryanmack91: folds
Big_KSS is connected
hogan0922: folds
s3ver: raises 3960 to 5160 and is all-in
YOKULT: folds
sven_royal: folds
Kunigas: folds
grimesey: folds
s3ver collected 3700 from pot
s3ver: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3700 | Rake 0
Seat 1: ryanmack91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: hogan0922 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: s3ver collected (3700)
Seat 5: YOKULT (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sven_royal (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Kunigas (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: spatser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: grimesey folded before Flop

aici am jucat prost ca nu am fost atent, 5 mese

PokerStars Game #10432937645: Tournament #51534358, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/06/14 - 14:38:17 (ET)
Table '51534358 7' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: s3ver (3450 in chips)
Seat 2: martina11111 (2450 in chips)
Seat 3: BO569 (9160 in chips)
Seat 4: BuddieGuy (9860 in chips)
Seat 5: doubleulane (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: shipahoy14 (6945 in chips)
Seat 7: squintster (3290 in chips)
Seat 8: gas27 (505 in chips)
Seat 9: ralf669 (4550 in chips)
s3ver: posts the ante 25
martina11111: posts the ante 25
BO569: posts the ante 25
BuddieGuy: posts the ante 25
doubleulane: posts the ante 25
shipahoy14: posts the ante 25
squintster: posts the ante 25
gas27: posts the ante 25
ralf669: posts the ante 25
doubleulane: posts small blind 100
shipahoy14: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [Ts Js]
squintster: folds
gas27: calls 200
ralf669: folds
s3ver: calls 200
martina11111: folds
BO569: folds
BuddieGuy: folds
doubleulane: raises 200 to 400
shipahoy14 is disconnected
shipahoy14 has timed out while disconnected
shipahoy14: folds
shipahoy14 is sitting out
gas27: calls 200
s3ver: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [3c Kh Jh]
doubleulane: bets 1035 and is all-in
gas27: calls 80 and is all-in
s3ver: folds
*** TURN *** [3c Kh Jh] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [3c Kh Jh 9h] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
doubleulane: shows [Kc As] (a pair of Kings)
gas27: shows [Ah Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
doubleulane collected 1785 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1785 | Rake 0
Board [3c Kh Jh 9h Qs]
Seat 1: s3ver folded on the Flop
Seat 2: martina11111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BO569 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BuddieGuy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: doubleulane (small blind) showed [Kc As] and won (1785) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: shipahoy14 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: squintster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gas27 showed [Ah Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 9: ralf669 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

***** Hand History for Game 6062407265 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny: 33959598 Level: 1 Blinds(20/40) - Thursday, June 14, 17:47:33 ET 2007
Table WSOP Friday Satellite Qualifier (1049446) Table #4 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: Gaetano_Ace ( 6,840 )
Seat 3: mikki28 ( 2,360 )
Seat 4: chefe001 ( 2,900 )
Seat 5: Vertilger06 ( 2,940 )
Seat 6: wongawonga7 ( 2,920 )
Seat 7: capcaunu ( 3,000 )
Seat 8: QueenDaisy ( 2,960 )
Seat 9: pokerbda ( 3,080 )
Seat 1: Ossegalm ( 2,980 )
Trny: 33959598 Level: 1
Blinds(20/40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to capcaunu [ Kd Qc ]
QueenDaisy calls [40]
pokerbda folds
Ossegalm folds
Gaetano_Ace did not respond in time
Gaetano_Ace folds
mikki28 calls [40]
chefe001 calls [40]
Vertilger06 folds
wongawonga7 raises [60]
capcaunu calls [40]
QueenDaisy calls [40]
mikki28 is disconnected. We will wait for mikki28 to reconnect for a maximum of 14 seconds.
mikki28 could not respond in time.(disconnected)
mikki28 folds
chefe001 calls [40]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, Ts, Jc ]
wongawonga7 bets [40]
capcaunu calls [40]
QueenDaisy folds
chefe001 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
wongawonga7 checks
capcaunu bets [200]
wongawonga7 calls [200]
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
wongawonga7 checks
capcaunu bets [340]
wongawonga7 raises [680]
capcaunu calls [340]
wongawonga7 shows [ Js, Ad ]two pairs, Aces and Jacks.
capcaunu shows [ Kd, Qc ]a straight Ten to Ace.
capcaunu wins 2,200 chips from the main pot with a straight, Ten to Ace.

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PokerStars Game #10411268777: Tournament #52745212, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/06/13 - 03:45:45 (ET)
Table '52745212 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: smokedyagood (1865 in chips)
Seat 2: thestare101 (1275 in chips)
Seat 3: Ponce88 (3435 in chips)
Seat 4: Gregori (3215 in chips)
Seat 5: UDogg7707 (1505 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: RAMBO2006 (1805 in chips)
Seat 7: superdengel (3310 in chips)
Seat 8: s3ver (1280 in chips)
Seat 9: $_CREVY_INC_ (2100 in chips)
$_CREVY_INC_: posts small blind 25
smokedyagood: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [Ts Ks]
thestare101: folds
Ponce88: folds
Gregori: folds
UDogg7707: folds
RAMBO2006: raises 50 to 100
superdengel: calls 100
s3ver: calls 100
$_CREVY_INC_: folds
smokedyagood: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5d 5h]
smokedyagood: checks
RAMBO2006: bets 50
superdengel: calls 50
s3ver: folds
smokedyagood: folds
*** TURN *** [Ad 5d 5h] [Ac]
RAMBO2006: bets 50
superdengel: raises 50 to 100
RAMBO2006: raises 50 to 150
superdengel: raises 50 to 200
RAMBO2006: calls 50
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5d 5h Ac] [3d]
RAMBO2006: bets 450
superdengel: raises 450 to 900
RAMBO2006: raises 555 to 1455 and is all-in
superdengel: calls 555
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RAMBO2006: shows [Td Kh] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
superdengel: shows [9s Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
superdengel collected 3835 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3835 | Rake 0
Board [Ad 5d 5h Ac 3d]
Seat 1: smokedyagood (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: thestare101 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ponce88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Gregori folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: UDogg7707 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: RAMBO2006 showed [Td Kh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 7: superdengel showed [9s Ah] and won (3835) with a full house, Aces full of Fives
Seat 8: s3ver (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: $_CREVY_INC_ (small blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #10413262059: Tournament #52343410, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/06/13 - 09:17:24 (ET)
Table '52343410 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: unluckybs (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: MrJansson (1660 in chips)
Seat 4: bram1972 (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: Luvtrim (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: bling619 (2990 in chips)
Seat 7: Geert99 (2970 in chips)
Seat 8: Skipper-dawn (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: PinkMarlin (2920 in chips)
Skipper-dawn: posts small blind 10
PinkMarlin: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
unluckybs: calls 20
MrJansson: raises 20 to 40
bram1972: folds
Luvtrim: calls 40
bling619: calls 40
Geert99: folds
Skipper-dawn: folds
PinkMarlin: calls 20
unluckybs: raises 1460 to 1500 and is all-in
MrJansson: calls 1460
Luvtrim: folds
bling619: folds
PinkMarlin: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 6c 6d]
*** TURN *** [Tc 6c 6d] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 6c 6d 7c] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
unluckybs: shows [Jh As] (a pair of Sixes)
MrJansson: shows [Ac Ad] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
MrJansson collected 3130 from pot
unluckybs re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $10.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3130 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 6c 6d 7c 9h]
Seat 1: unluckybs showed [Jh As] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 3: MrJansson showed [Ac Ad] and won (3130) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 4: bram1972 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Luvtrim folded before Flop
Seat 6: bling619 folded before Flop
Seat 7: Geert99 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Skipper-dawn (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: PinkMarlin (big blind) folded before Flop

[sever]

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PokerStars Game #10398302267: Tournament #52348272, $2+$0 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/06/12 - 11:38:22 (ET)
Table '52348272 10' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: ENGLISHJUDGE (420 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: CashRoiber37 (4390 in chips)
Seat 4: craig1212 (7188 in chips)
Seat 5: pokergodz420 (6853 in chips)
Seat 6: goldilox02 (2535 in chips)
Seat 7: ronno100 (7569 in chips)
Seat 8: pyramidpete (2335 in chips)
Seat 9: s3ver (6825 in chips)
ENGLISHJUDGE: posts the ante 25
CashRoiber37: posts the ante 25
craig1212: posts the ante 25
pokergodz420: posts the ante 25
goldilox02: posts the ante 25
ronno100: posts the ante 25
pyramidpete: posts the ante 25
s3ver: posts the ante 25
pyramidpete: posts small blind 100
s3ver: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [8s 9d]
ENGLISHJUDGE: folds
CashRoiber37: folds
craig1212: folds
pokergodz420: folds
goldilox02: calls 200
ronno100: raises 200 to 400
pyramidpete: calls 300
s3ver: calls 200
goldilox02: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [Tc Ac 5d]
pyramidpete: checks
s3ver: checks
goldilox02: checks
ronno100: checks
*** TURN *** [Tc Ac 5d] [3h]
pyramidpete: bets 200
s3ver: folds
goldilox02: calls 200
ronno100: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [Tc Ac 5d 3h] [9h]
pyramidpete: bets 200
goldilox02: calls 200
ronno100: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pyramidpete: shows [Kh Qs] (high card Ace)
goldilox02: shows [2d Ad] (a pair of Aces)
goldilox02 collected 2800 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2800 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Ac 5d 3h 9h]
Seat 1: ENGLISHJUDGE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: CashRoiber37 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: craig1212 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pokergodz420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: goldilox02 showed [2d Ad] and won (2800) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: ronno100 (button) folded on the River
Seat 8: pyramidpete (small blind) showed [Kh Qs] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 9: s3ver (big blind) folded on the Turn

PokerStars Game #10347541413: Tournament #51770185, $36+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/06/09 - 09:45:51 (ET)
Table '51770185 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: pjootor (1415 in chips)
Seat 2: yoyostack4 (470 in chips)
Seat 3: tatta (2190 in chips)
Seat 4: GOVSA (6960 in chips)
Seat 5: MVC83 (4530 in chips)
Seat 6: PT-Power (1705 in chips)
Seat 7: pokerbrat13 (3505 in chips)
Seat 8: znurre (1380 in chips)
Seat 9: s3ver (1220 in chips)
GOVSA: posts small blind 25
MVC83: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [Kd Jd]
PT-Power: folds
yoyostack4 said, "ooop s sorry"
pokerbrat13: folds
znurre: folds
s3ver: calls 50
pjootor: folds
yoyostack4: calls 50
tatta: calls 50
GOVSA: calls 25
MVC83: raises 50 to 100
s3ver: calls 50
yoyostack4: calls 50
tatta: calls 50
GOVSA: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [2s 3s 9c]
GOVSA: checks
MVC83: bets 200
s3ver: folds
yoyostack4: folds
tatta: folds
GOVSA: calls 200
*** TURN *** [2s 3s 9c] [4h]
GOVSA: checks
MVC83: bets 500
GOVSA: calls 500
*** RIVER *** [2s 3s 9c 4h] [Kc]
GOVSA: checks
MVC83: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GOVSA: shows [6s 9s] (a pair of Nines)
MVC83: mucks hand
GOVSA collected 1900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1900 | Rake 0
Board [2s 3s 9c 4h Kc]
Seat 1: pjootor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: yoyostack4 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: tatta (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: GOVSA (small blind) showed [6s 9s] and won (1900) with a pair of Nines
Seat 5: MVC83 (big blind) mucked [6c 6h]
Seat 6: PT-Power folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: pokerbrat13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: znurre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: s3ver folded on the Flop