am jucat gresit sau a fost bad beat? astept parerea lui darth

[drain]

PokerStars Game #9159905097: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/03/30 - 03:52:08 (ET)
Table 'Pleione' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: zexe01 ($54.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Efuu ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: chillin22 ($45.75 in chips)
Seat 5: UnderDogg12 ($25.45 in chips)
Seat 6: mike7777 ($29.60 in chips)
mike7777: posts small blind $0.25
zexe01: posts big blind $0.50
Efuu: posts big blind $0.50
chillin22: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zexe01 [9h Ks 7c 4c]
Brooike18 leaves the table
Efuu: checks
chillin22: checks
UnderDogg12: folds
mike7777: calls $0.25
zexe01: checks
*** FLOP *** [6d Qc 5h]
mike7777: checks
zexe01: bets $1
LiLJimMy2121 joins the table at seat #4
Efuu: calls $1
chillin22: folds
mike7777: raises $4.90 to $5.90
zexe01: calls $4.90
Efuu: folds
*** TURN *** [6d Qc 5h] [Td]
mike7777: bets $14.10
zexe01: calls $14.10
*** RIVER *** [6d Qc 5h Td] [8d]
mike7777: bets $9.10 and is all-in
zexe01: calls $9.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mike7777: shows [8s Qd 3c 5d] (a flush, Queen high)
zexe01: mucks hand
mike7777 collected $59.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $61.20 | Rake $2
Board [6d Qc 5h Td 8d]
Seat 1: zexe01 (big blind) mucked [9h Ks 7c 4c]
Seat 2: Efuu folded on the Flop
Seat 3: chillin22 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: UnderDogg12 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mike7777 (small blind) showed [8s Qd 3c 5d] and won ($59.20) with a flush, Queen high

PokerStars Game #9160679784: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/03/30 - 06:17:33 (ET)
Table 'Weringia III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: lazyhh ($18.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Snatch555 ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 3: bandyt_65 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 4: stampertje ($52 in chips)
Seat 5: zexe01 ($29.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Mr1Derful ($12.30 in chips)
bandyt_65: posts small blind $0.10
stampertje: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zexe01 [8s Kh 7d Kc]
zexe01: raises $0.60 to $0.85
Mr1Derful: calls $0.85
lazyhh: calls $0.85
Snatch555: calls $0.85
bandyt_65: folds
stampertje: calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [3s Ks 9h]
stampertje: checks
zexe01: bets $4.15
Mr1Derful: folds
lazyhh: folds
Snatch555: folds
stampertje: calls $4.15
*** TURN *** [3s Ks 9h] [6c]
stampertje: checks
zexe01: bets $12.05
stampertje: calls $12.05
*** RIVER *** [3s Ks 9h 6c] [4s]
stampertje: bets $34.95 and is all-in
zexe01: calls $12.90 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stampertje: shows [Ts Qd As Js] (a flush, Ace high)
zexe01: mucks hand
stampertje collected $59.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $62.55 | Rake $3
Board [3s Ks 9h 6c 4s]
Seat 1: lazyhh folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Snatch555 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: bandyt_65 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: stampertje (big blind) showed [Ts Qd As Js] and won ($59.55) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: zexe01 mucked [8s Kh 7d Kc]
Seat 6: Mr1Derful folded on the Flop

[LuvRaluK]

La a doua mana astept si eu sa vad ce zice Darth, insa la prima nu stiu cum ai putea sa ii zici bad beat, pentru ca nu inteleg cand poti spune ca erai favorit la luarea potului. Din cate vad eu, el avea deja o mana bunicica pe flop (doua perechi) in timp ce tu aveai nevoie de o carte sa iti faca chinta.

[obs]

Doamne fereste! Astia ti-au dat patru carti frate! Ce-i asta, Double Holdem? Ptiu!

[Dioscuri]

cand esti doar pe un draw, la omaha, sa fii pe draw de nuts, 2nd sau 3rd to the nuts. exact ce nu faci tu in prima mana, si ce face el in doua. a doua e mai dureroasa ca aveai setul ala frumos, dar nu e nici ea bad beat.

de ce dai raise cu KK78 rainbow? Din 6 maini care le poti face cu KK78... cu cate ai da raise in holdem? mai ales din pozitia aia...

bad play, in ambele cazuri, spun eu

[touche]

Am rugamintea sa fitzi ontopic... pe om il intereseaza numai parerea lui Darth ..nush ce va bagati in seama

PS:
Cred ca glumesc

[kytra]

mdah ...deaia nu m-am bagat ....o consider o discutie privata

[yariknight]

nu cred ca e nevoie sa apelam chiar la darth mainile sunt foarte clare

la prima callu de pe turn e fortat, n-ai putut sa renunti cand era clar ca ala a facut in asa fel incat callul nu mai e deloc rentabil
la a doua tu ai avut top set ai pariat maxim de fiecare data, foarte corect, el n-a vrut sa arunce flush drawu si la facut pe river

la prima mana tu ai dat un call gresit si nu ti-a intrat, la a 2-a el a dat un call gresit si i-a intrat

edit: acum vad ca la a 2-a mana avea si outsuri destule de straight, a jucat corect n-aveai cum sal arunci asta e

[Darth]

la prima ai platit de 2 ori pot pe un straight draw. sa continui?
la a doua avea un wrap dragut + flush draw, nici vb de bad beat. pe flop:

Hand Pot equity
8sKh7dKc 56.71%
TsQdAsJs 43.29%

[drain]

bun deci daca nu au fost bad beaturi cum trebuia jucat. la prima mana stiam sigur ca are 2 perechi si am fortat putin pana la river unde asteptam sa-mi intre chinta dar nici prin gand nu-mi trecea ca ala mai are un draw in extremis catre culoare.
la a 2a mana cand ai setul major pe flop rainbow ce trebuia sa fac? sa dau fold?

[sever]

pt inceput problema la ambele e pe river cind nu ai miini prea bune