Omaha ring

[Darth]

Stiu SIGUR ca sunt jucatori pe aici care joaca Omaha. Hai sa ne ajutam intre noi, sa discutam, sa dezbatem tactica, moloz, whatever.
Eu joc pt moment 50PL Omaha pe stars, 6 max si o sa postez niste maini mai interesante cand ajung in campus peste vreo 20 de min.

[lyncks]

ok sir

[Darth]

Cateva maini mai noi: (Am pus rezultatele in alb acolo unde este cazul)

PokerStars Game #8338753801: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/02/08 - 12:48:33 (ET)
Table 'Titan' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: laneythedog ($122.45 in chips)
Seat 3: PushThButton ($161.80 in chips)
Seat 4: DarthHate ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Pilf ($112.90 in chips)
Seat 6: homoerectus1 ($23.70 in chips)
DarthHate: posts small blind $0.25
Pilf: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DarthHate [Ad Td Qh 6d]
Pokerchlg has returned
homoerectus1: folds
laneythedog: calls $0.50
PushThButton: calls $0.50
DarthHate: calls $0.25
Pilf: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ac Ts 3h]
DarthHate: bets $1.90
Pilf: folds
laneythedog: calls $1.90
PushThButton: calls $1.90
*** TURN *** [Ac Ts 3h] [9c]
DarthHate: checks
laneythedog: checks
PushThButton: bets $7.35
DarthHate: raises $7.65 to $15
laneythedog: folds
PushThButton: calls $7.65
*** RIVER *** [Ac Ts 3h 9c] [Jh]
DarthHate: checks
PushThButton: bets $20.50
DarthHate: folds
PushThButton collected $35.85 from pot
PushThButton: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $37.70 | Rake $1.85
Board [Ac Ts 3h 9c Jh]
Seat 1: laneythedog folded on the Turn
Seat 3: PushThButton (button) collected ($35.85)
Seat 4: DarthHate (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: Pilf (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: homoerectus1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


PokerStars Game #8354998858: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/02/09 - 13:16:56 (ET)
Table 'Arago' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: SquirtBottle ($17 in chips)
Seat 2: bellababy ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 3: DarthHate ($50.75 in chips)
Seat 4: cylin ($34.35 in chips)
Seat 5: De Lune ($58.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Screech24 ($21.45 in chips)
DarthHate: posts small blind $0.25
cylin: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DarthHate [9c 6s 7c 6c]
De Lune: calls $0.50
Screech24: calls $0.50
SquirtBottle: calls $0.50
bellababy: folds
DarthHate: calls $0.25
cylin: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c 6d 4d]
DarthHate: checks
cylin: checks
De Lune: bets $2.40
Screech24: folds
SquirtBottle: folds
DarthHate: raises $2.60 to $5
cylin: folds
De Lune: raises $12.40 to $17.40
DarthHate: folds
De Lune collected $11.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.50 | Rake $0.60
Board [3c 6d 4d]
Seat 1: SquirtBottle folded on the Flop
Seat 2: bellababy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: DarthHate (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: cylin (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: De Lune collected ($11.90)
Seat 6: Screech24 folded on the Flop


PokerStars Game #8355043886: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/02/09 - 13:20:49 (ET)
Table 'Germania II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AKAThe_Neck ($50.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Screech24 ($17.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Pokerchlg ($56.40 in chips)
Seat 4: RiverMonkey ($33.50 in chips)
Seat 5: DarthHate ($79.85 in chips)
Seat 6: douegz ($17.75 in chips)
Screech24: posts small blind $0.25
Pokerchlg: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DarthHate [3d Qs 5d Qd]
RiverMonkey: folds
DarthHate: calls $0.50
douegz: folds
AKAThe_Neck: raises $1.75 to $2.25
Pokerchlg said, "wow, that was ugly"
Screech24: folds
Pokerchlg: calls $1.75
AKAThe_Neck said, "wat u have"
DarthHate: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [Ad 4d 6c]
Pokerchlg said, "had a 4"
Pokerchlg: bets $2
AKAThe_Neck said, "yeah with what"
DarthHate: calls $2
AKAThe_Neck: raises $12.65 to $14.65
Pokerchlg: raises $37.95 to $52.60
DarthHate: calls $50.60
AKAThe_Neck: calls $33.90 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ad 4d 6c] [2c]
Pokerchlg: bets $1.55 and is all-in
DarthHate: calls $1.55
*** RIVER *** [Ad 4d 6c 2c] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pokerchlg: shows [9h 6s 6h Kh] (three of a kind, Sixes)
DarthHate: shows [3d Qs 5d Qd] (a straight, Three to Seven)
DarthHate collected $11.20 from side pot
AKAThe_Neck: mucks hand
DarthHate collected $149.65 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163.85 Main pot $149.65. Side pot $11.20. | Rake $3
Board [Ad 4d 6c 2c 7c]
Seat 1: AKAThe_Neck (button) mucked [5h Ah As Js]
Seat 2: Screech24 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Pokerchlg (big blind) showed [9h 6s 6h Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 4: RiverMonkey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DarthHate showed [3d Qs 5d Qd] and won ($160.85) with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 6: douegz folded before Flop (didn't bet)










PokerStars Game #8404976148: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/02/12 - 12:40:09 (ET)
Table 'Oppavia III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: cylin ($30 in chips)
Seat 2: ladylolita ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 3: fnqv2k ($37 in chips)
Seat 4: BIGVZLA7 ($18.20 in chips)
Seat 5: dblmystack ($60.05 in chips)
Seat 6: DarthHate ($49.25 in chips)
fnqv2k: posts small blind $0.25
BIGVZLA7: posts big blind $0.50
cylin: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DarthHate [5s Ts Th As]
dblmystack: calls $0.50
DarthHate: calls $0.50
cylin: raises $1 to $1.50
ladylolita: calls $1.50
fnqv2k: folds
BIGVZLA7: folds
dblmystack: calls $1
DarthHate: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Ks Ac 7s]
fnqv2k leaves the table
dblmystack: checks
DarthHate: checks
cylin: bets $4
ladylolita: raises $4.40 to $8.40 and is all-in
dblmystack: folds
DarthHate: calls $8.40
cylin: raises $20.10 to $28.50 and is all-in
DarthHate: calls $20.10
jimy1964 joins the table at seat #3
*** TURN *** [Ks Ac 7s] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [Ks Ac 7s Qh] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DarthHate: shows [5s Ts Th As] (a flush, Ace high)
cylin: mucks hand
DarthHate collected $38.75 from side pot
ladylolita: mucks hand
DarthHate collected $30.40 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $72.15 Main pot $30.40. Side pot $38.75. | Rake $3
Board [Ks Ac 7s Qh 3s]
Seat 1: cylin mucked [Qc 5h Kc Kh]
Seat 2: ladylolita (button) mucked [7h 3c 7d 9h]
Seat 3: fnqv2k (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: BIGVZLA7 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: dblmystack folded on the Flop
Seat 6: DarthHate showed [5s Ts Th As] and won ($69.15) with a flush, Ace high









PokerStars Game #8405271590: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/02/12 - 13:05:33 (ET)
Table 'Werdandi' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Kolikko ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 2: nf_casino ($32.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Xorbid ($47.75 in chips)
Seat 4: DarthHate ($52.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Stef-TA ($42.60 in chips)
Seat 6: wadedafish69 ($43.50 in chips)
wadedafish69: posts small blind $0.25
Kolikko: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DarthHate [9s Ah 9c Th]
nf_casino: calls $0.50
Xorbid: folds
DarthHate: raises $1.75 to $2.25
Stef-TA: calls $2.25
wadedafish69: calls $2
Kolikko: calls $1.75
nf_casino: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [8h 3d Qh]
wadedafish69: checks
Kolikko: checks
nf_casino: checks
DarthHate: checks
Stef-TA: bets $3
wadedafish69: folds
Kolikko: calls $3
nf_casino: folds
nf_casino is sitting out
DarthHate: raises $19.70 to $22.70 (good draw: gutshot + nut flush draw + 2 outs de la overset pt ca nu puneam pe nimeni pe QQ aici)
Stef-TA: folds
Kolikko: folds
DarthHate collected $19.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.25 | Rake $0.95
Board [8h 3d Qh]
Seat 1: Kolikko (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: nf_casino folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Xorbid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DarthHate collected ($19.30)
Seat 5: Stef-TA (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: wadedafish69 (small blind) folded on the Flop

[Ravenlord]

eu joc mult omaha... insa mai mult hi-lo decat high...
parerea mea... omaha se joaca altfel decat holdem-ul... omaha is all about good draws.. ceea ce inseamna ca automat risti mai mult ca sa vezi cartea urmatoare de pe board...
nu-mi place cum ai jucat set-ul de 6-ari la mana aia... un jucator tight sau semi-tight n-ar fi dat raise pe flopul ala... dar mie personal imi place c-ai facut-o... ai aflat ca omul avea sigur 57 sau 52 (nut flush draw ma indoiesc, desi am vazut cazuri...). aveai ceva outs ca board-ul sa se "imperecheze"... dar n-aveai pot odds.. eu unul as fi platit totusi... e drept, si eu sunt un maniac al race-urilor... iar din experienta mea personala, e greu sa joci omaha TAG platind doar cand ai pot odds-urile necesare.. parerea mea...

[sever]

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PokerStars Game #8435046824: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/02/14 - 07:43:59 (ET)
Table 'Danae' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Roccinho ($28.50 in chips)
Seat 2: s3ver ($33.85 in chips)
Seat 5: fishlover ($29.05 in chips)
Seat 7: FyreFree ($111.05 in chips)
Seat 8: mikis007 ($63.40 in chips)
Seat 9: turbo_sp44 ($35.95 in chips)
Roccinho: posts small blind $0.25
s3ver: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [7h] [ad] [ks] [7d]
fishlover: calls $0.50
FyreFree: raises $1.75 to $2.25
mikis007: folds
turbo_sp44: calls $2.25
Roccinho: folds
s3ver: raises $7.50 to $9.75
fishlover: folds
FyreFree: calls $7.50
turbo_sp44: calls $7.50
*** FLOP *** [ac] [2d] [kc]
s3ver: checks
FyreFree: checks
turbo_sp44: checks
*** TURN *** [ac] [2d] [kc] [4s]
s3ver: bets $24.10 and is all-in
FyreFree: folds
tjtipsy joins the table at seat #6
turbo_sp44: calls $24.10
*** RIVER *** [ac] [2d] [kc] [4s] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
s3ver: shows [7h] [ad] [ks] [7d] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
turbo_sp44: shows [3h] [3c] [4d] [5d] (a straight, Ace to Five)
turbo_sp44 collected $75.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $78.20 | Rake $3
Board [Ac 2d Kc 4s 3s]
Seat 1: Roccinho (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: s3ver (big blind) showed [7h Ad Ks 7d] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 5: fishlover folded before Flop
Seat 7: FyreFree folded on the Turn
Seat 8: mikis007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: turbo_sp44 (button) showed [3h 3c 4d 5d] and won ($75.20) with a straight, Ace to Five

[razvann]

Dar de ce joci asa de agresiv preflop AK77? Un jucator castigator de Omaha ar trebui sa fie tight, cel putin asa scrie in carti... Mai ales ca erai BB...
Te-am mai vazut odata pe Bodog jucand T822 din middle position, what's up with that?

[sever]

Man, uita-te ce idiot e turbo_sp44 si in mina asta.
In rest, AK77 cu un suited nu e proasta... ce draq!!!
Era o masa de idioti si am zis ca pot juca bine post flop la miza asta.

PokerStars Game #8435226199: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/02/14 - 08:14:15 (ET)
Table 'Danae' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Roccinho ($21.65 in chips)
Seat 2: s3ver ($16.40 in chips)
Seat 3: DAYTOP ($45.25 in chips)
Seat 4: G.T.O. ($94 in chips)
Seat 5: fishlover ($53.15 in chips)
Seat 6: T Meditator ($49 in chips)
Seat 7: FyreFree ($26.30 in chips)
Seat 8: murallin ($37.85 in chips)
Seat 9: turbo_sp44 ($115.75 in chips)
T Meditator: posts small blind $0.25
FyreFree: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to s3ver [5h] [qs] [qc] [4c]
murallin: folds
turbo_sp44: calls $0.50
Roccinho: calls $0.50
s3ver: raises $2.25 to $2.75
DAYTOP: folds
G.T.O.: folds
fishlover: folds
T Meditator: folds
FyreFree: calls $2.25
turbo_sp44: calls $2.25
Roccinho: folds
*** FLOP *** [qd] [4d] [kh]
FyreFree: checks
turbo_sp44: checks
s3ver: bets $4.50
FyreFree: raises $17.55 to $22.05
turbo_sp44: raises $17.55 to $39.60
s3ver: calls $9.15 and is all-in
FyreFree: calls $1.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [qd] [4d] [kh] [jh]
*** RIVER *** [qd] [4d] [kh] [jh] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FyreFree: shows [Kd] [8d] [8s] [6s] (a pair of Kings)
turbo_sp44: shows [8h] [7s] [10d] [js] (a straight, Nine to King)
turbo_sp44 collected $19.25 from side pot
s3ver: mucks hand (aveam QQ4x)
turbo_sp44 collected $47.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $69.75 Main pot $47.50. Side pot $19.25. | Rake $3
Board [Qd 4d Kh Jh 9h]
Seat 1: Roccinho folded before Flop
Seat 2: s3ver mucked [5h Qs Qc 4c]
Seat 3: DAYTOP folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: G.T.O. folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: fishlover (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: T Meditator (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: FyreFree (big blind) showed [Kd 8d 8s 6s] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: murallin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: turbo_sp44 showed [8h 7s Td Js] and won ($66.75) with a straight, Nine to King

[marca]

Man, uita-te ce idiot e turbo_sp44 si in mina asta.
In rest, AK77 cu un suited nu e proasta... ce draq!!!

tu ai jucat corect sever,
imi plac jucatorii gen turbo_sp44 , reload and break him

[razvann]

Da, a jucat corect mana cu setul de Q, dar daca ai 2 jucatori de genul lui "turbo" la masa, unul cu str8 draw si unul, sa zicem, cu flush draw n-ai nici o sansa, iar la limite mici nu sunt doar 2 asemenea jucatori la masa ci sunt cel putin 4 - 5, asa ca e cam nashpa...

Eu am jucat omaha ring supertight vreo 3 luni si, de exemplu, nu faceam reraise all in preflop decat cu AAXX cu cel putin un A suited si tot am pierdut per total asa ca a trebuit iau o pauza ca sa mai studiez putin situatia... Intre timp am trecut la Hi / Lo si trebuie sa spun ca e mult mai bine...

Este cineva pe plus la ring Omaha PL la mize mai mici sau egale cu 0.5 / 1? Daca da, care e secretul lui?

[lyncks]

pui pe un set de possible holdings pe adversar, si calculezi rpd cat si cum ai iesi impotriva lor, in maxim 10 secunde vezi daca este +ev sau -ev...
va explica darth ca l-am aburit ieri destul pe yahoo

[Darth]

"Era o masa de idioti si am zis ca pot juca bine post flop la miza asta." Ai jucat infect flopu la mana aia. De ce moloz lasi carte gratis cu doua trefle jos pe flop? Sau poate vrei ca un idiot cu 33-QQ (erau doi idioti care puteau lejer sa aiba PP) sa isi faca setul? Nu esti la holdem...2 pair isn't the slowplaying nuts. Ca sa nu mai zic ca ai dat reraise din BB cu o mana marginala at best pe care eu personal o foldam la raise. dai call, faci flush...ce faci? Pariezi? Potu e mic, iti da call cu set pt ca...e stars, sunt fishi, au set. se dubleaza turnu. tu actionezi primu. ce faci?
Dai bet? Iti da raise...ai pierdut un pot sized bet.
Daca nu dai pot sized bet, poa sa iti fure potu cu second nut flush pt ca e idiot si crede ca e bun. Sau cu 3 bucati pt ca e idiot, pt ca tu nu ai cum sa dai call.
Dai check, el da bet...ce faci? Il pui pe full si dai fold? sau nu il crezi si arunci niste bani pe un bluff call?
Pozitie infecta...

Daca tot ai facut asta...pot sized bet pe flop, psb pe turn daca nu e trefla si esti allin.
Reraise in BB cu mana aia? ORIBIL

[Ravenlord]

nici mie personal nu-mi place cum ai jucat mana aia sever raise cu o pereche de dame preflop? no way post-flop call-ul nu pot sa-l condamn, aveai 2nd best nuts, ce dreaq... DESI mi s-a intamplat la mize mai mari sa foldez top set sau middle set in fata unor pariuri pot-sized cand in mana mai erau 2-3 fishi pe care ii simteam ca fugaresc open-ended straights si flush-uri... pe simplul motiv ca ei au mult mai multe outs-uri decat mine... oricum, masa super-activa din cate vad eu... in fata unor astfel de jucatori tind sa joc putin loose si sa-i trap cu the nuts in 1-2-3 poturi mari.

@razvan: nu stiu in ce carti ai citit tu ca omaha trebuie jucat neaparat tight. eu personal cred ca fiecare joaca cum doreste, dar din moment ce este un joc in care draw-urile sunt totul, mi se pare potrivit un joc mai loose.. eu am citit "Omaha Championship" de TJ Cloutier si Tom McEvoy, si acolo TJ spune ca doar la turnee ar trebui sa joci tight, pt ca la mese de 10 persoane se impart 40 de carti, ceea ce inseamna ca statistic mai raman ft putine carti care sa te ajute sa-ti imbunatatzesti mana post-flop, iar ce ai pe flop e esential..

[razvann]

Ai dreptate, fiecare joaca cum doreste, de asta e si haosul asta la mize mici... La mize mari n-am incercat, cred ca acolo e de mine...
Referitor la jocul de turneu, in videoblogul de pe Fullcontactpoker Daniel Negreanu a facut odata referire la o etapa de Omaha PL de la Wsop la care zicea ca a jucat 80% din maini "for whatever raise" si ca de fapt aia e strategia corecta... asa ca si marii campioni se mai contrazic...

[ovideo]

Ai dreptate, fiecare joaca cum doreste, de asta e si haosul asta la mize mici... La mize mari n-am incercat, cred ca acolo e de mine...
Referitor la jocul de turneu, in videoblogul de pe Fullcontactpoker Daniel Negreanu a facut odata referire la o etapa de Omaha PL de la Wsop la care zicea ca a jucat 80% din maini "for whatever raise" si ca de fapt aia e strategia corecta... asa ca si marii campioni se mai contrazic...

exista fishi la holdem care spun ca fiecare carte are sansa ei. intr-adevar, si cu 72o poti face un full, dar asta se intampla prea rar ca sa fie profitabil. la omaha sunt sanse mult mai mari sa prinzi un monstru cu orice mana, iti trebuie doar un read bun ca sa iti dai seama cand te lovesti de un monstru mai mare, iar read-ul este punctul forte al lui Negreanu, deci se explica de ce a jucat asa.

sa nu se supere nimeni ca il contrazic pe TJ Cloutier (re: postul lui ravenlord) DAR cand calculezi outs le calculezi relativ la numarul de necunoscute, care e doar cu 2 carti mai mic decat in hold'em, si nu relativ la numarul de carti ramase in pachet. Daca ai putea fi sigur ca acele carti care iti imbunatatesc mana mai sunt sau nu in pachet, atunci ar avea dreptate, dar in realitate 1 out la omaha ~= 1 out la texas

[sever]

Cind aveti miini de genul: chinta 23456 si sint doi nebuni care tot dau reraiseuri ce faceti? Cred ca e gresit sa dai all in...

Am facut eu asa intr-o mina si ceilalti au facut: unu full si altul str flush

mai bine te arunci daca nu ai sanse sa faci mina mai buna nu?