Atentie La Dealeri!

[mache1982]

DEALER MUCKS IT UP

$100,000-plus winning hand discarded.

We've heard of players mucking the winning hand because someone bet and they folded, or they thought they’d lost the hand. But we’ve never heard of the dealer mucking the winning hand. Until now, that is. And this wasn’t in a local casino’s £20 re-buy tournament, either – this was at the Mandalay Bay World Poker Tour Championship in Las Vegas.

Midway through day two fo the $10,000 championship event, with a board of A♣ 6♦ 3♦ 3♣ 2♣, David Oppenheim made a bet of $20,000 into a $60,000 pot. His only opponent in the pot, John Smith, moved all-in for a total of $56,000, and Oppenheim made the call. Smith showed A♠ 2♠ and Oppenheim flipped A♥ K♥. At this point, the dealer mistakenly mucked Oppenheim’s hand, believing that Smith had won the pot with A-A and 2-2. However, Smith’s pair of Twos were counterfeited by the pair of Threes on the board, meaning that Oppenheim and Smith both had two pair (Aces and Threes), and bringing Oppenheim’s King kicker into play.

Upon realizing the mistake, the dealer pulled the cards back out and Oppenheim took the pot down.

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Ati mai auzit de astfel de intamplari?

P.S.:Sper sa nu patesc si eu asa ceva(indiferent de miza pe care joc)!

[sever]

Pai ce sa ti se intimple? Pina la urma jetoanele au ajuns la cine trebuie.

Dar exista greseli mai grave care se pot intimpla... sa dea 4 carti in flop din prima, etc etc etc. Sint destul de rare dar inevitabile. In Romania un pic mai des. Neplacute intr-adevar.

Mie s-au intimplat multe la Casino Palace si asta e unul din motivele pentru care nu m-am mai dus acolo. (Jucator care actiona inainte sa ii vina rindul la turneu, in timp ce eu eram all in si alt jucator a dat call vazind ca ala s-a aruncat deja... s.a.).

Uite si ceva de la WSOP, postul ii apartine jucatorului pro Harry Demetriou

Alas there was yet another extremely poor decision today in the main event at The WSOP (but according to my sources this is how it went down).

A player goes all in and then calls a clock on another player who is contemplating whether or not to call.

The floor person counts down until he gets to the final few seconds.

Floor person: 3....2.....1

Player says: I Call

Floor person: Your hand is dead.

Player: Can you call a supervisor.

Supervisor comes over and asks dealer and floor person and other players what happened and it is confirmed that the rule is floor person has to say 3...2...1...your hand is dead before the player says I call for the hand to be dead but still upholds the floor persons decision regardless of the fact that everyone agrees player said I call before the floor person says the hand is dead.

There are around 300 or so players left at this point and it is a HUGE pot and we are very deep into the biggest poker event ever held and this decision can affect the outcome of the payouts of the players involved rather substantially.

After the hand is dead the player asks the first player what he had and he shows him a stone cold bluff and he would have been out with the call.

This has to be a BLATANT abuse of the rules...the rule is you have 1 min and 10 secs and NOT 1 min and 9 secs.

The player who bluffed has a sponsors cap here. Let us say (and I am not saying this has happened here) but this poor decsiion could have been the result of favouritiwsm to the sponsored player who was bluffing and all in. It brings into question the very integrity of the game and could be a result of collusion between a player and a floor person or favouritism for a particular site.

IMO it is an example of a VERY POOR floor person and supervisor decision and none of the other suggestions above but I hope you all get the point.

This incident was witnessed by reporters and several spectators not to mention the other players at the table and dealer and is a shocking example of how these bad decisions by inappropriately qualified floor staff is having a significantly detrimental effect on the game.

I would be interested to know of the names of the staff members involved along with all the players at the table (I only have some names so far) as this incident imho demands further investigation.

[mache1982]

Cam urata faza.Mie imi pare ciudata faza cu dealerul poate si ptr simplu fapt ca inca nu am jucat in casino-credeam ca doar la homegame se pot intampla astfel de chestii.Ce spui tu cu cele intamplate la noi in tara cred ca se datoreaza faptului ca lumea inca nu cunoaste regulile pokerului.Cred ca e la fel ca atunci cand a patruns biliardul la noi in tara si toata lumea juca dupa reguli interpretate si deloc dupa regulile acelui sport.

[sever]

Ce s-a intimplat la Palace a fost si pentru ca stafful de acolo nu i-au anumite masuri.

Dar nu ai dreptate. Omul greseste deci si dealerul. Nu e vorba de altceva.

[razdrak]

Eu am patit o faza super funny la un casino in Canada , la NiagaraCasino.
Jucam la 1-2 NL si mai eram cu un jucator after the river. I checked , si el se gandea ce sa faca ... Moment in care dealerul burns a card si mai pune pe board o carte ...al doilea river ....
Faza tare e ca a pus o carte care mi a facut o idee mai clara despre mana respectiva(la modul ca pe board erau two jacks , si el a mai pus un J jos ...)
S a prins ca a facut o gafa si a incercat sa l bage inapoi in deck , dar a venit floor managerul si l a luat la tura ...lol...era super panicat dealerul...
We both checked si ...that s it...
Si am mai vazut o faza tare ... vreo trei jucatori intra all in la o mana, unul cu vreo 70$ si ceilalti doi cu vreo 300 $ fiecare. Cel care a intrat cu 70$ castiga mana si din neataentia dealarului castiga vreo 300$ , cu aproape 100 mai mult decat trebuia. Isi ia repede banii ...ceilalti doi s au prins ca era ceva in neregula , au numarat si au vazut ca era gresit si dealerul a dat o putin in explicatii complicate pana s au lasat aia pagubasi pt 30-40$ ...
Asa ca atentie sporita ....

[DebbieDowner]

Vorba lui Creanga...nu stiu altii cum sunt , dar eu cand vad cat de praf sunt unii in tara mea imi vine sa ma reprofilez. Nu pot sa mint...mi s-a intamplat si mie sa fac gafe...de vreo doua ori: o data, la un Ring, cand unul dintre jucatori a luat potul pe flop, iar altul a cerut sa vada turn si river...dupa ce am dat riverul, Babone mi-a zis "Mai da, ma, una" si eu, cuminte l-am ascultat...noroc ca nu mai era nimeni in joc oricum. Iar a doua faza a fost cand din cauza unor carti prea uzate am dat un flop de 4 carti si nu s-a mai putut face hand reconstruction. Ca atare miam luat niste observatii (ca sa nu le zic injuraturi...LOL) pt ca doi dintre clienti aveau AA respectiv JJ.
Chestii de genul asta sunt inerente in orice casino...cal mai trist este insa ca toate aceste greseli se fac pe banii clientului, iar multi dintre dealeri nu inteleg de ce once in a while un player implicat intr-o treaba din asta te face cu ou si cu otet, iar incapacitatea de a intelege vine si din faptul ca multi nu au stat ever in their life de partea cealalta a mesei.

[Darth]

"iar incapacitatea de a intelege vine si din faptul ca multi nu au stat ever in their life de partea cealalta a mesei." Asta merge in ambele sensuri. Gresesc dealerii ce gresesc...dar a gresi e omeneste. Daca s-ar injura unii pe sine cand pierd un pot din propria lor greseala cum injura cand greseste dealeru ar fi ceva.

[DebbieDowner]

"iar incapacitatea de a intelege vine si din faptul ca multi nu au stat ever in their life de partea cealalta a mesei." Asta merge in ambele sensuri. Gresesc dealerii ce gresesc...dar a gresi e omeneste. Daca s-ar injura unii pe sine cand pierd un pot din propria lor greseala cum injura cand greseste dealeru ar fi ceva.

Cu asta mi-ai mers direct la suflet...insa...totusi hai sa judecam lucrurile in mod obiectiv...noi suntem cei care traiesc, ca sa spunem asa, din banii clientilor, nu ei dintr-ai nostri. Iar atunci cand gresim ar fi tare frumos sa stim sa si reparam greseala. Poate tu nu ai avut ocazia sa vezi un delaer care, dupa ce ca o comite, se mai si ia la harta cu clientul.
Referitor la faza cu injuraturile venite din partea celor care pierd, au incetat sa ma mai afecteze long time ago. Cu riscul de a ma repeta insa , am sa spun ca la holdem e o cu totul alta mancare de peste si chiar nu ii inteleg pe cei care fac scandal...acolo dealerul e un simplu executant (Da, dar el iti da cartile- bune sau proaste...vor spune cei care sunt cazuri patologice)

[Darth]

Evident fiecare are partea lui de dreptate aici. Dar intervine totusi bunul simt(ma refer la clienti) in context. Care...fiind in romania de fapt nu prea mai intervine.

Si, again, chestia cu reparatu greselilor din nou tine de bun simt. Si totusi e cam greu sa ai disciplina sa tii cont de bunul ala simt cand tu gresesti iti ceri scuze si clientu zbiara la tine si te mai si injura(evident, not talking about you, dar am vazut destule cazuri care m-au dezgustat). As always, in Romania, money rules everything.

Si oricat ati trai voi, dealerii, din banii clientilor, nu sunteti singurii care fac asta(respectiv trai din banii clientilor), si astept inca sa vad o astfel de meserie in care angajatii care traiesc, in mod indirect, din banii clientilor sa nu faca greseli. It's uman, it happens.

P.S. why were u so pissed off last night? sau mi s-a parut mie?

[DebbieDowner]

Pai tu probabil nu l-ai auzit pe "prietenul forumistilor" (intreaba-l pe Sever daca nu stii la cine ma refer) cum imi ura printre dinti...de rude decedate si alte faze de genul asta...cu sarutari de maini doamnei si asa mai departe . Nu pot sa spun ca eram pissed off, dar cum am mai zis ma luase asa o lehamite. Macar domnul acela mustacios nu injura desi nu a prins nici o mana, insa celalalt "domn"...well pretty different. Si cand vad cry-babies ca astia ma ia asa o greata de nici cu un tir de lamai nu-mi mai revin.

[Darth]

nu, chiar n-am auzit. Exact cum ziceam mai sus...suntem in Romania deci bunu simt nu mai intervine