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[Pepsi]

De fapt de vineri .

Vineri si luni au cazut grav aurul si argintul.

Gold Plummets By Most In 30 Years, Stocks Have Biggest Drop Of 2013


A bad day all around. Liquidation continued from Asia and commodities were Baumgartner'd - especially gold and silver, suffering their biggest single-day drop in 30 years. Weak NAHB data stalled any BTFD in stocks and despite a couple of tries at EUR ramps, stocks had their biggest drop in 5 months. The horrible acts in Boston seemed a catalyst for late-day weakness in stocks but there was no bid and heavy volume as homebuilders were hit their hardest in 10 months and US equity indices plunged into the close. Dow Transports had its worst day in 17 months. Away from stocks, FX markets were just as volatile with JPY's 2-day rally the biggest in 35 months (and AUD the biggest down day in 5 months). Swiss 2Y rates dropped to their lowest of the year and US Treasuries were relatively calm (though bid) until Boston hit and then dropped 3-4bps on the day. VIX also surged higher by 5.2 vols to 17.25% (its highest since the Italian elections).

S&P futures ended at the lows...






What Happened The Last Time We Saw Gold Drop Like This?


The rapidity of gold's drop is impressive, concerning, and disorderly. We have seen two other such instances of disorderly 'hurried' selling in the last five years. In July 2008, gold quickly dropped 21% - seemingly pre-empting the Lehman debacle and the collapse of the western banking system. In September 2011, gold fell 20% in a short period - as Europe's risks exploded and stocks slumped prompting a globally co-ordinated central bank intervention the likes of which we have not seen before. Given the almost-record-breaking drop in gold in the last few days, we wonder what is coming?






This is what it looked like in Q3 2008...






sursa: Zero Hedge | On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

[Pepsi]

12-15 aprilie...talk about downswing lol

[Al Locust]

variance

[cereala]

din ce am inteles eu din graficele alea (putin ce-i drept) vad ca dupa fiecare cadere brusca si fortata a aurului acesta cam explodeaza in urmatoarea perioada.

tu ce previziuni ai despre aur Pepsi ? crezi ca se merita investit in el in momentul de fata? Nu ma refer la forex si investit pe termen lung ci metoda de a stoca banutii.

[Pepsi]

tu ce previziuni ai despre aur Pepsi ? crezi ca se merita investit in el in momentul de fata? Nu ma refer la forex si investit pe termen lung ci metoda de a stoca banutii.

Hmmm...Monezile de argint/aur nu au cazut si nu o sa cada la modul asta.

Aurul(toate metalele de fapt) detinute pe hartie, sau detinute de o banca "pt. tine" ...acolo e marea bula si posibil marea tzeapa.
So una e sa detii aur in forma fizica si alte e pe hartie. Cred ca diferenta o sa se vada destul de curand.

Anyway, ce e evident pt mine e ca niste baieti se joaca cu piatza in scopuri care nu imi sunt clare. In nici un caz aurul/ag nu au cazut ca urmare a cererii si ofertei pe o piatza libera. Cineva manipuleaza grav toata treaba IMO.

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Gold Bug View

Gold bugs, on the other hand, see things quite differently.

Andrew Maguire says that the crash is solely in the paper gold market … and that there is actually a shortage of physical gold. Many other sources make the same claim.

Egon von Greyerz – founder and managing partner at Matterhorn Asset Management – argues:

They shouldn’t be concerned about the temporary pressure on gold. This decline has nothing to do with the physical market because enormous demand for gold continues.

The paper market in gold is not a real market, and at some point in the near future paper gold holders will wake up and realize they are holding are worthless pieces of paper. This is when the world will witness one of the greatest short squeezes in history as investors panic in to physical and the price of gold explodes to the upside.”

London bullion dealer Sharps Pixley thinks that the crash was largely initiated by a single entity:

The gold futures markets opened in New York on Friday 12th April to a monumental 3.4 million ounces (100 tonnes) of gold selling of the June futures contract in what proved to be only an opening shot. The selling took gold to the technically very important level of $1540 which was not only the low of 2012, it was also seen by many as the level which confirmed the ongoing bull run which dates back to 2000. In many traders minds it stood as a formidable support level… the line in the sand.

Two hours later the initial selling, rumoured to have been routed through Merrill Lynch’s floor team, by a rather more significant blast when the floor was hit by a further 10 million ounces of selling (300 tonnes) over the following 30 minutes of trading. This was clearly not a case of disappointed longs leaving the market – it had the hallmarks of a concerted ‘short sale’, which by driving prices sharply lower in a display of ‘shock & awe’ – would seek to gain further momentum by prompting others to also sell as their positions as they hit their maximum acceptable losses or so-called ‘stopped-out’ in market parlance – probably hidden the unimpeachable (?) $1540 level.

The selling was timed for optimal impact with New York at its most liquid, while key overseas gold markets including London were open and able feel the impact. The estimated 400 tonne of gold futures selling in total equates to 15% of annual gold mine production – too much for the market to readily absorb, especially with sentiment weak following gold’s non performance in the wake of Japanese QE, a nuclear threat from North Korea and weakening US economic data.

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By forcing the market lower the Fund sought to prompt a cascade or avalanche of additional selling, proving the lie \; predictably some newswires were premature in announcing the death of the gold bull run doing, in effect, the dirty work of the shorters in driving the market lower still.

Gold Core’s Mark O’Byrne agrees.

James Rickards thinks the Fed is manipulating the gold market (and every other market).

Former assistant Treasury Secretary Paul Craig Roberts says:

Rapidly rising bullion prices were an indication of loss of confidence in the dollar and were signaling a drop in the dollar’s exchange rate. The Fed used naked shorts in the paper gold market to offset the price effect of a rising demand for bullion possession. Short sales that drive down the price trigger stop-loss orders that automatically lead to individual sales of bullion holdings once their loss limits are reached.

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According to Andrew Maguire, on Friday, April 12, the Fed’s agents hit the market with 500 tons of naked shorts. Normally, a short is when an investor thinks the price of a stock or commodity is going to fall. He wants to sell the item in advance of the fall, pocket the money, and then buy the item back after it falls in price, thus making money on the short sale. If he doesn’t have the item, he borrows it from someone who does, putting up cash collateral equal to the current market price. Then he sells the item, waits for it to fall in price, buys it back at the lower price and returns it to the owner who returns his collateral. If enough shorts are sold, the result can be to drive down the market price.

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Bullion dealer Bill Haynes told kingworldnews.com that last Friday bullion purchasers among the public outpaced sellers by 50 to 1, and that the premiums over the spot price on gold and silver coins are the highest in decades. I myself checked with Gainesville Coins and was told that far more buyers than sellers had responded to the price drop.

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In addition to short selling that is clearly intended to drive down the gold price, orchestration is also indicated by the advance announcements this month first from brokerage houses and then from Goldman Sachs that hedge funds and institutional investors would be selling their gold positions.

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I see the orchestrated effort to suppress the price of gold and silver as a sign that the authorities are frightened that trouble is brewing that they cannot control unless there is strong confidence in the dollar.

Roberts also says:

This is an orchestration (the smash in gold). It’s been going on now from the beginning of April. Brokerage houses told their individual clients the word was out that hedge funds and institutional investors were going to be dumping gold and that they should get out in advance. Then, a couple of days ago, Goldman Sachs announced there would be further departures from gold. So what they are trying to do is scare the individual investor out of bullion. Clearly there is something desperate going on….

Indeed, this may tie into the Federal Reserve leak of insider information. Specifically, Roberts writes:

The Federal Reserve began its April Fool’s assault on gold by sending the word to brokerage houses, which quickly went out to clients, that hedge funds and other large investors were going to unload their gold positions and that clients should get out of the precious metal market prior to these sales. As this inside information was the government’s own strategy, individuals cannot be prosecuted for acting on it. By this operation, the Federal Reserve, a totally corrupt entity, was able to combine individual flight with institutional flight. Bullion prices took a big hit, and bullishness departed from the gold and silver markets. The flow of dollars into bullion, which threatened to become a torrent, was stopped.

As Congressman Grayson pointed out in a recent letter, right after the Federal Reserve’s Open Market Committee leaked valuable inside information to big banks, Goldman told its clients:

We recommend initiating a short COMEX gold position ….

[Pepsi]

[Pepsi]

Hmmm....

[cereala]

ciudat ca valoarea aurului scade dar cererea de aur fizic e in crestere continua.
eu zic ca is doar niste manipulari la nivel mai mare pentru a destabiliza "ceva" si a speria oamenii sa nu mai aibe incredere in aur.
la nivel mondial toate tarile isi maresc rezervele de aur.
am vazut o stire interesanta legata de aur. in shanghai sau hong kong (nu mai tin minte exact) o firma a oferit o zi aur fizic cu 5-10% reducere si a fost coada de 10.000 oameni la firma respectiva.

apropo pepsi, pune te rog si graficele pentru argint pentru ultima perioada ca sunt curios de ele.

[Pepsi]

Na si la argint :



Treaba e fff urata imo ,din multe puncte de vedere... da' nu vreau sa stric atmosfera pe forum cu previziunile mele :P