Cheating continued...

[Darth]

Nu pun in acelasi topic pt ca acolo discutia a deviat spre teme morale si etice, nu vreau sa vad asa ceva aici.
Zeejustin a castigat un 500K guaranteed pe PokerStars acu vreo 2 sapt...e jucator destul de cunoscut.
De pe alt forum:

Just got this email this morning...


Dear PowPowMeow,



Thank you for your communication regarding the accounts that you suspected to be playing multiple entries by the same player in our Tournaments.



These accounts (all associated with account ZeeJustin) had already been flagged by our system as originating from the same IP/System and we have now concluded our investigation.



A total of six accounts, all with different biographical information, were making multiple entries into the same tournament from the same IP/system.



This is in direct violation of our Terms and Conditions and the six accounts have been permanently closed and the player barred from our site. We have placed a substantial amount of money, from all the accounts, on hold. Any of the confiscated money found to be directly related to a particular player or tournament through means of cheating, will be redistributed accordingly.



We make every reasonable effort to protect the integrity of our games and have very recently introduced some technical enhancements in an attempt to prevent such scenarios. These improvements are ongoing and as you can appreciate, have to take into account the interests of genuine players who share internet connections and access points.



Thank you for taking the time to report this matter and for being as passionate as we are about integrity.





michael o'malley | poker room manager

partygaming.com | mikeo@partygaming.com

p. +350 78700 x6039 | m. +44 7958 021237

[nowonda]

de cand e postu asta?

ca azi i-am citit blog-ului astuia si zice ca joaca bine mersi pe party (are un "quest" de a juca 1000 SNGs 500+30), ultimul update fiind de ieri.

p.s. justin asta a luat si un loc 2 la Million Dollar Guaranteed la Party in octombrie..

m

[Darth]

E de azi postul
Reply al unui tip N82 (care apare pe site-ul lui ZJ):

It is legit, ZJ was asked to leave Party Poker. He asked me not to tell anyone and I've respected his wishes. However, now it's out in the open due to this email.

And yes, Mike O'Malley runs Party Poker.

[nowonda]

naspa..

de-abia astept sa vad cum se justifica nenea in blog.. si sincer de-abia astept sa vad cum ii sufla suta de mii de para castigata la turneu ala.. idioti.. cat or fi ei de buni..

m

[Darth]

i-au suflat deja, don't worry.
Dilema mea e ca la cat e el de bun(si E bun, si e in stare sa gandeasca), cum a fost intr-atat de dobitoc incat sa isi faca conturi multiple DE LA ACELASI IP!!!
Pana si eu in romania sunt in stare sa imi iau 2 ip-uri de la 2 ISP-uri cu 50$/luna maxim...

[nowonda]

Some more insight...

Q: "n8 were his funds confisicated? because being asked to leave and being banned seem different but maybe they are the same thing?"

A: "Yes, if you read the above email, his funds were taken. I'm not sure if he'll be able to get any back."

Another Q: "also, n8, you're obviously friends w/ a lot of these players. are there other cases of accts being closed down? if you don't want to name names, thats fine. maybe a simple yes/no?"

A: "Yes"

Sec..

Pana la urma banii nu or fi asa o mare tragedie pentru el (sau pentru altii ca el). I-au confiscat 150K sau cat o fi avut.. sunt convins ca mai are de unde juca.. Faza e ca acum toata lumea il stie de trisor ordinar, oricat ar fi el de bun.. Si asta o sa-i ramana pe frunte pana la batranete.. Asta ar fi singurul motiv pentru care altii la fel de buni ca el (da, E foarte bun! ) sau mai buni s-ar putea abtine de-acum incolo de la asa ceva. Heads-up pentru Party pentru chestia asta.. nota 10 cu felicitari..

m

[Darth]

150k totusi E mare tragedie...ca mai are inca 500k(suma aleatoare) e altceva...dar 150K tot e ceva MULT.
La party in terms & conditions scrie ca isi rezerva dreptul sa iti inchida contul daca au informatii ca ai trisat pe alt site.
De altfel, cineva avea un cont pe care vroia sa il inchida ca sa isi deschida altul pt rakeback. le-a dat mail si a citat ca motiv "gambling problems". i-au inchis contul, a facut altul si dupa un timp a fost inchis pentru mail-ul acela.
2 oameni de fapt au patit asta, unul dintre ei(i s-a intamplat mai demult) a reusit sa ii convinga sa redeschida contul.

[Darth]

WIll he or won't he reply?
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7579/zee6qd.png

[nowonda]

He did...

Putini vor fi interesati sa citeasca postul, but here it is..

ZeeJustin:

Here is the email I got from PartyPoker yesterday morning:

Dear Mr Bonomo,

This communication is to inform you of the findings of an investigation launched internally by partypoker.com into six accounts originating from your own location and computer.

These are the accounts in question:

ZeeJustin
IBLUFFUOUT69
jwilson55
vapoker58
mehsab
greenb272

These accounts have been systematically used to enter the same Multi Table Tournaments as a ýteamý, in a deception that is in direct violation of our Terms and Conditions.

Although registered in different names, these accounts have been created with the sole intention of playing as multiple accounts in the same tournaments. All six accounts were consistently logged into at the same time from the same IP/System and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.

A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close these accounts permanently and confiscate all funds. I would ask that you do not attempt to open any further accounts with our company, as these will be closed and any monies therein will be deemed forfeited.

Furthermore, please be informed that we have withdrawn your PPMV Cruise Package and you will no longer appear on the passenger list.

Steve Winter
Manager, Investigations Team


Yes, it’s true. I did use these accounts to enter multiple accounts in the same multi table tournaments. I have never done this in a tournament with less than 1,000 players.

I have been at the same table as myself. For what it’s worth, my standard protocol has been to increase my number of tables when this happens. As most of you know, I will very rarely be playing fewer than six tables at a time. If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage. With 10 tables open, I just play tight and solid. I can’t even remember the hole cards one account folded after the flop, and I’m certainly unable to pay special attention to that table. After talking to Curtains, I realize my standard play should have been to sit one account out when this happens, but I want to make it clear that I never used collusion to my advantage, never chip dumped, or did anything of the sort.

However, what Party emailed me is wrong on several subjects.
First of all, the accounts were NOT created solely for MTT use. They were originally created for SNG play. It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage. These accounts all did very well in the big SNGs on PartyPoker.

N82 referred to a hack that let you open multiple Party clients. I have no clue how no one has mentioned this yet, but no such hack was necessary. This is important, so listen up.

All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.

Using this bug, I was able to play multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time. I would be in a step 5 on one name, while playing a mini step 5 on another, and no one would ever suspect that it was me.

All of the money that was seized from me was from sit’n’go play where nothing unethical was done. I never entered multiple accounts into the same sit’n’go, never colluded with anyone, never soft played anyone and never chip dumped with anyone.

The other accounts I used never had any big MTT scores. Combined, I am pretty sure they were all long-term losers in the few MTT’s they played. Despite this, almost $100,000 was seized from my accounts.

For those of you that feel safe because my money was taken, open up your eyes. This money will not be returned to the players in any way. PartyPoker is keeping it because they can, just like they did with JJProdigy’s $40,000, and just like they will do to you when you get caught.

I know what you’re thinking right now, “I won’t get caught, because I didn’t do anything wrong.”

First of all, that doesn’t matter. PartyPoker reserves the right to take your money for any reason at any time (although I should point out that this does not make it legal).

Secondly, almost all of you have broken the rules at some point. How many of you have created a second account for rakeback? Neither creating a second account nor receiving rakeback is allowed. Both are expressly forbidden. Maybe you’ll see things my way once all your money is seized for doing that. If I’m a cheater, so are you.

If you are a saint like CSC claims to be, kudos to you. You are in the minority, and are certainly upstanding citizens. I commend you on following Party’s rules and not receiving rakeback. Most of us are too greedy to pass up money that easy.

Furthermore, I would like to point out, that I did NOT break the rules.

5. True Identity and One Account.

The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account. If you have more than one (1) Account or Accounts in different names, then you must contact us immediately to have your Accounts managed so that you only have one (1). If you have lost your Account name or password, please contact us for a replacement.

I have one account. That account is named ZeeJustin. My brother also has an account named Bernard61 (formerly jwilson55), and I have used that account quite often. No where in Party’s rules does it say you cannot use someone else’s account. I’m sure many of you have used friends’ accounts before, and there is nothing wrong with this. People will often take over MTT’s for friends that have unforeseen obligations.

I do think what I’ve done is unethical, and I certainly regret doing it, however, I need to point out that no where in Party’s rules is it stated that you cannot enter multiple accounts into the same tournament. Not only do they not forbid it, but to open multiple clients on the same PC, all you have to do is click the icon a bit more rapidly than normal. Great work PartyPoker.

To further show how corrupt PartyPoker is, here is an email I got today from my affiliate manager.

Dear Justin,
We hereby give you notice that we are terminating our Standard Affiliate Agreement (the “Agreement”) with you. Clause 5.3 of the Agreement states that we are entitled to terminate our Agreement without cause immediately upon this written notice to you. We will also be exercising our right under clause 5.3 to terminate all trackers that you have with us.
We ask that you familiarize yourself with clause 5.5 of the Agreement which sets out the effects of termination. We require you to stop promoting our Site and you are no longer entitled to use our Marketing Materials. We also remind you that the obligation of confidentiality and non-disclosure shall, amongst other things, survive the termination of the Agreement.
Yours sincerely
PartyGaming
Sarah Hunter
Affiliate Relations
PartyGaming Marketing (UK)
Email: sarahh@partygaming.com
London Office +44 (0) 20 7337 0100
18 King William Street, London, EC4N 7BP
www.partygaming.com
This email is sent by PartyGaming Marketing (UK), a provider of services to PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar). The contents of this email may be subject to approval by an authorized representative of PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar).
The information contained in this email, and any attachments hereto, is strictly confidential and solely intended for use by the individual(s) and/or entity(s) to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the System Manager at admin@partygaming.com as soon as possible

I have not broken the affiliate agreement in any way shape or form, so PartyPoker is using good old clause 5.3 to stop paying me simply because they can. If this makes you feel safe, you are being completely illogical. It can and will happen to more people, this I guarantee. You’re not safe at all.

In conclusion, I want to make it clear that I regret what I did, and have done somethings that were unethical. Despite this, PartyPoker’s actions are unreasonable, and their power to take the same actions against you should not be taken lightly. This rampage that PartyPoker is on will certainly not end with me. So whatever you do, be careful.

IDEILE GENERALE ale lui:

1. Spune ceva de genul "aveti grija, voi ceilalti!! chiar daca nu ati facut vreodata multi-tabling, de trisat tot ati trisat (ex: multiple accoutn pentru rake-back programs).. deci eu nu sunt mai prejos"

Replica tipica a celui prins cu matza in sac - "ce, tu n-ai furat niciodata nimic?". Pathetic.. in engleza, nu in romana (pt ca in romana inseamna altceva...)

2. Party Poker poate sa va ia banii oricand vrea, deci Party Poker is a bitch..

Blame them.. not me.. i'm just one of you!

3. Cand se nimerea sa fiu cu doua conturi la aceeasi masa intr-un MTT mai deschideam vreo 2-3 SNGs ca sa elimin avantajul imoral pe care il aveam....

no comments really... chiar nu are rost..

4. Celelalte conturi nu au fost create pt MTT, ci pentru SNG, pentru ca toata lumea imi stia stilul de joc si astfel aveau un avantaj

La fel..no comments..get a new account and simply never access ZeeJustin one anymore, you ass..

In fine... Nu ma bucur neaparat pentru ca l-au ars pe ZeeJustin si pe Prodigy, ci pentru ca in modul asta Party a transmis un mesaj.. sper sa fie receptat de cat mai multi idioti, oricat or fi ei de talentati in ale pokerului..

m

[sever]

eu nu pot sa ii sufar oricum pe basinosii astia

panella, neverwin, zeejustin, s.a.m.d.

[yariknight]

ce maniaci, nu-i mai satura Dumnezeu, chiar nu inteleg daca joaca la asemenea mize de ce trebuie sa joaca la 6 mese deodata

[Darth]

"First of all, the accounts were NOT created solely for MTT use. They were originally created for SNG play. It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage."

Unfair advantage over other players = cheating.

Citatul in traducere libere: Sunt atat de varza incat nu sunt in stare sa "mix up my play" cand e nevoie si adversarii imi invata jocul.
Sa-l vad ce face daca ajunge vreodata sa joace high stakes cu profesionistii la cazino dupa 2-3 zile de jucat in care ei invata cum joaca el...vine cu ochelari si mustata sa nu fie recunoscut?

[sever]

pustani corditi si nesuferiti cu bankroll gras de la parinti

americani

[Pkrbt]

La faza cu multiple accounts va cam dati in barci sincer. Stiu cativa jucatori de stakes destul de mari (limit si nl, oameni cu care conversez des pe msn) care isi fac la doua-trei luni un cont nou (in reteaua cryptologic, unde te lasa sa iti faci un cont nou , iti muta chiar ei fondurile dintr-un cont in altu dupa ce iti verifica identitatea etc..) tocmai din cauza ca toti jucatorii buni tin notes acolo si problema e ca atunci cand joci 4-6-8 mese de high stakes concomitent e foarte dificil sa faci un mix al stilului tau de joc-joci de obicei impotriva unui anume grup de jucatori, la toate mesele in general la mizele alea, field-ul e limitat si toti iti stiu majoritatea miscarilor. Asa ca pentru ei cea mai simpla solutie e schimbarea Alias-ului si pentru un timp, pana apuca sa-si dea seama cine esti, ai poate un mai mare succes. Eu de pilda am 4 conturi (in toate tin bani, 3 dintre ele cu rake back: n-as juca nicaieri cash sau turnee fara rake back in ziua de azi sau fara un bonus care sa fie echivalentul a macar 40% rake back, unul dintre ele main account, unde joc cel mai des) in reteaua aia, e drept la site-uri diferite, pentru ca ajunsesem sa joc contra multor jucatori de imi cunosteau stilul-TA- si ajunsesem sa nu mai primesc call-uri la anumite maini bune tocmai pentru ca ma stiau---probabil Hate o sa zica ca nu eram in stare sa "mix-up" my play...ei bine, am invatat-o acolo pe pielea mea ca pe softul ala de pilda e o greseala mare sa joci slow mainile (bine, exceptand situatia unde ai the nuts) , am invatat ca jucatorii dau acolo oricat pe draws si prin urmare singurul lucru pe care il poti face in astfel de situatii e sa "lead-out" cu un big bet, ei vor da call oricum Asa ca e prea putin loc pentru mix la stilu de joc, fortat de felul in care se comporta softul ca sa zic asa.

[Darth]

Oare cum sunt in stare Negreanu & co. sa mix up jocul si voi nu?
A...e din cauza gazonului